Is this shop lifting?

Energize · 27 Jul 2011 at 16:09

El_Watcher said:
If you do not adhere to store policy (as long as it is shown somewhere in store), could she not then be charged with trespass? Maybe then the guard is within his right to ask her to leave?

Trespass is not a criminal offence.

El_Watcher said:
Until she has made payment to Tesco for the banana and Tesco have agreed to the transaction, it is still property of Tesco, so by eating it, she could be charged with vandalism or destruction of private property.

Criminal damage is destruction of property without lawful excuse, intending to buy something is a lawful excuse.

Delvis · 27 Jul 2011 at 16:16

Not read the thread, but meh...I've seen people pick at their bunch of grapes while they are in the trolley...However, I don't think that should even be allowed, I've heard of people eating chocolate bars etc around the shop then paying for them later.

It's just daft, if you are hungry as she stated, pay for the damn thing, then carry on. I'm sorry but, you've been stopped by the security guard, and YOU have asked to see the manager...only to then say 'can I carry on shopping until they turn up', ummmmmmmmmmmm NO!

Stupid woman

dfarrall said:
Unless she doesnt intend to pay its not really theft. Cant see a problem with it personally as long as she does pay and it doesnt cause any extra work for the staff. Not something i'd do though.

Yes I'll just carry this LCD around the store and attempt to walk out...oh hang on, it's not theft though as I never made it out of the store!!!

Basher · 27 Jul 2011 at 16:18

Delvis said:
Yes I'll just carry this LCD around the store and attempt to walk out...oh hang on, it's not theft though as I never made it out of the store!!!

Did she attempt to walk out without paying?

Delvis · 27 Jul 2011 at 16:20

Basher said:
Did she attempt to walk out without paying?

Figure of speech, she could have quite easily finished the banana and dropped the skin on the floor

Basher · 27 Jul 2011 at 16:21

Delvis said:
Figure of speech, she could have quite easily finished the banana and dropped the skin on the floor

Your example doesn't really work as it's difficult to consume the value of an LCD whilst in-store.

wildman · 27 Jul 2011 at 16:22

MooMoo444 said:
This. Eating something while going round the supermarket just sounds bad anyway, even if its something of yours.

why is it bad, its no different from munching on a mcdonalds while walking around the town

Curio · 27 Jul 2011 at 16:23

She was clearly in the wrong, but the security guard was also clearly being a trumped up little so-and-so. He could have just said "excuse me, miss...." and explained the law. Would the store really want to risk losing the thousands of pounds she spends with them over the years (assuming it's her usual store...) for the sake of a banana?

As people have mentioned though, maybe he WAS being more polite than she made out, and she's just being a bitch.

six of one, half dozen of the other, etc, etc.

Delvis · 27 Jul 2011 at 16:24

Basher said:
Your example doesn't really work as it's difficult to consume the value of an LCD whilst in-store.

mmhm

Gackt · 27 Jul 2011 at 16:32

Curio said:
She was clearly in the wrong, but the security guard was also clearly being a trumped up little so-and-so. He could have just said "excuse me, miss...." and explained the law.

Most people wouldn't have listened to a word he said if he was like that. You have to be somewhat direct and a little forceful as typically the general public are ******* morons with their own set beliefs/opinions and who typically believe that they are a) better than you and b) absolutely right.

Curio · 27 Jul 2011 at 16:40

Gackt said:
Most people wouldn't have listened to a word he said if he was like that. You have to be somewhat direct and a little forceful as typically the general public are ******* morons with their own set beliefs/opinions and who typically believe that they are a) better than you and b) absolutely right.

Wow....the irony in that statement. You realize that's exactly what most people think about security guards, right?

Hence the problem in this story, I guess.

Gackt · 27 Jul 2011 at 16:43

Curio said:
Wow....the irony in that statement. You realize that's exactly what most people think about security guards, right?

Hence the problem in this story, I guess.

Yes, but most people are wrong.

Danthus · 27 Jul 2011 at 16:44

El_Watcher said:
If you do not adhere to store policy (as long as it is shown somewhere in store), could she not then be charged with trespass? Maybe then the guard is within his right to ask her to leave?

How can you trespass on property whereby the owner invited you in?

Russinating · 27 Jul 2011 at 16:44

Joining this thread late, but I do this all the time.

Whenever I get back from the gym or a long cycle I often go straight to my local Coop and as well as buying a few other bits drink a can of coke as I shop. Pay for it at the till (and they bin it for me!) and nobody's ever said anything.

flibbage0 · 27 Jul 2011 at 16:49

Still find it a bit odd, but then thats me.

El_Watcher · 27 Jul 2011 at 16:59

OldCoals said:
How can you trespass on property whereby the owner invited you in?

Because they are only inviting you in if you adhere to store policy on behaviour and things like clothing.
Once you stop adhering to policy, they are not inviting you to stay.

Curio · 27 Jul 2011 at 16:59

Gackt said:
Yes, but most people are wrong.

....I think this sums up the problem quite nicely.

Danthus · 27 Jul 2011 at 17:00

El_Watcher said:
Because they are only inviting you in if you adhere to store policy on behaviour and things like clothing.
Once you stop adhering to policy, they are not inviting you to stay.

What has that got to do with English Law?

If they threw you out and you went back in and stole something you wouldn't be committing burglary would you.

El_Watcher · 27 Jul 2011 at 17:14

OldCoals said:
What has that got to do with English Law?

If they threw you out and you went back in and stole something you wouldn't be committing burglary would you.

I didn't say it had anything to do with law, and no it would not be burglary, it would be theft and trespass, but only the theft would be criminal.

Marky · 27 Jul 2011 at 17:16

weringo said:
I was only applying your logic to a similar situation

yourself

My "logic", as you put it, is to take an item and use it/eat it before paying.

So no you wasn't. :rolleyes:

leaskovski · 27 Jul 2011 at 17:20

PETROL STATIONS!