Is this shop lifting?
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Indeed, which was a stupid move.
Agggggghh!
No, that's wrong. It's theft the moment you appropriate the property dishonestly with the intention of depriving the owner of it permanently.
Any other facts, such as trying to leave the shop, will be used to try and show dishonesty and the intention to permanently deprive, but the actual moment it becomes a theft is when those criteria has been met. So I walk into a shop intending to steal an item and grab it, providing you could prove my intention and dishonesty (for example I have loudly announced to people my plans or have written my dastardly scheme out somewhere), that would be theft regardless of whether I actually tried to leave the shop.
Raymond, let me into your padded cell please, I'm outta here
Is it considered appropriation if you haven't left the store?
one of my real pet hates!
when i worked in retail someone put clothes on in the changing rooms, came out with the tags and gave them to me to pay for..........I asked him if he would like the security tags taken off by climbing onto the cash desk. nob.
Its not your until you pay for it. simples.
when i worked in retail someone put clothes on in the changing rooms, came out with the tags and gave them to me to pay for..........I asked him if he would like the security tags taken off by climbing onto the cash desk. nob.
Its not your until you pay for it. simples.
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Yes, but you can't prove dishonesty at that point.
Yes, you cannot show dishonesty by appropriation alone
That's my point, there's no proof of it being dishonest until you try to leave. It's like the pensioners you see with the wheeled trolly bag things, where they'll put all their shopping in it while picking it out around the store, to take it to the till and pay for it.
Putting stuff in your pants and pockets looks dishonest, but that's all, it's only until you try to leave when it becomes dishonest.
First, that was not what you said above
Secondly, you are still not right to say that it is only when you try to leave that the store that you can prove dishonesty, other facts may allows dishonesty to be easily alleged e.g. putting expensive items in a coat pocket when that person is carrying a basket, or even label switching as in the case of R v Morris.
First, that was not what you said above
Secondly, you are still not right to say that it is only when you try to leave that the store that you can prove dishonesty, other facts may allows dishonesty to be easily alleged e.g. putting expensive items in a coat pocket when that person is carrying a basket, or even label switching as in the case of R v Morris.
Uh, where? also, I'm not talking about label switching or anything like that, I'm just talking about the suspicion of theft before the chance to carry it out has happened. They don't know you're trying to steal until you've passed the tills and are on your way out. That's why they have security on the doors, as well as the tag scanners.
This sentence is legally loaded in itself. Who doesn't know? When do they have to know? You can fulfil the requirements for an act of theft before anyone has any constructive knowledge of it. There being actual dishonesty and proving dishonesty are two separate things - you could allege dishonesty before someone has attempted to leave the shop if other facts indicate this was the case.
Ok, I'm out for good.
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Yeah it is, the banana is property of the supermarket until you pay for it. If they don't give you permission to eat it (as is implied in say, a restaurant) then you're stealing it.
Many moons ago, I worked as a checkout operator at a supermarket. Used to grind my gears when scummy families (and they were always scummy) would give me an empty packet of crisps to scan in.
Pure Scum!
Did they rape your mum? 
Pure Scum!
It boils down to "stop liking what I don't like", sad really.
Yeah it is, the banana is property of the supermarket until you pay for it. If they don't give you permission to eat it (as is implied in say, a restaurant) then you're stealing it.
Many moons ago, I worked as a checkout operator at a supermarket. Used to grind my gears when scummy families (and they were always scummy) would give me an empty packet of crisps to scan in.
If they were so scummy, they wouldn't be giving you the empty packet, they'd be binning it and not mentioning it. Oh look, it's scorza having a rage again.
I do it sometimes as i forget to eat, then get low blood sugar, i am a non diabetic hypoglycemic.
http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/diseases/facts/bloodsugarlow.htm
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A mate of mine walked into B&Q to buy a Black & Decker Mouse so in front of 2 shop workers he took his rucksack off (he was on his pushbike) and tried to fit it in his rucksack.
He couldn't get it in so said to the 2 workers he would come back in his car.
Outside he was stopped by security and ended up being banned by every B&Q in the country
He couldn't get it in so said to the 2 workers he would come back in his car.
Outside he was stopped by security and ended up being banned by every B&Q in the country
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