Evo or Impreza?

McHaMmEr said:
What's wrong with the second one, it looks even better than the first to me. It's had a forged 2.1 stroker rebuild by scooby projects (who are top guys and know what they're doing) along with a bob rawle remap (he is a subaru mapping guru!) Also the D2 8 pots are excellent (I know as I have the ksport 8 pots on mine which are identical) and the only mods I would get rid of is the HID kit and OTT I.C.E. setup. With a bigger turbo (peraps an sc46 or md321) and a £150 remap tweak (what bob rawle charges for a map tweak) you could be looking at 400bhp + which is going to be pretty rapid in a classic scoob. Also the fmic lag thing, I think you're overstating it I've been in a number of fmic-equipped Impreza's with no noticeably increased lag over a tmic-equipped car.
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I'm not slating the quality of workmanship, more the questionable owner (as any owner is).

I agree with you that the choice of components is good...

But something like this is much much higher risk... the build may be good, but if the owner's not taken the best care of it then it's at risk of not lasting much longer.

I did not get the impression the op was looking for a potential project...

Rebuild in March -> sell so soon after makes me wary... if you've spent such an incredible amount (a stroked rebuild that's cost upwards of £5k, plus £1k for the wheels, plus £1k for the brake conversion) on something and then sell it so soon after...

He could well have a valid reason to sell... but I would not take the risk unless you're prepared for a few expensive problems...

If it's genuine and all ok... then it's a frikkin bargain. But a big risk at the same time...



As for FMIC... the difference is immense... even a well-done FMIC is noticeable over a TMIC... but maybe that's just because of so many years n/a racing experience... even the lag from a TMIC annoys me sometimes, but you get used to it..
 
shep_no_platinum said:
Impreza wrx sti type r/p1 and evo 5/6 gsr/tommi mak edition.
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Having owned both an Impreza and Evo I would have absolutely no doubt but to recommend an Evo.

Get yourself over the the lancerregister.com and check out the cars on the site, certainly get a flavour for what is around!

As for models, depends on your budget but you can get Evo 8's for under £10k and 9's for around £12-14k if you're lucky.

I would go for as new a car as you can, whether Evo or Scooby.

I personally found Imprezas quite choppy to drive, certainly nowhere near as light and nimble feeling as an Evo, plus if you're into modifying they are a darn sight cheaper to get up to 400bhp than the Scooby.

If you are going down the modified route you really should consider buying pre-modified and it wouldn't be too difficult if the owner is a forum member (scoobyworld, lancerregister etc) to see history/problems there.

Any Evo questions let me know, or ask the lancer guys.

Oh, and insurance can be nicely discounted using the lancerregister insurance discount with Pace Ward (a mate is 21 and insures his 8 for under £700 fully comp with 3 points and £5k mods).


Edited to add - lots of talk about turbo lag, with an Evo (and scoob) this is easy to resolve and there are plenty of solutions. Boost controllers (Apexi is best IMO) and software mappers about who (for the Evo) use a program called ECUFlash which is a freeware program, any parameter can be adjusted including boost, fuelling etc. I ended up with two switchable maps, one for 97ron (best we have locally) and a Tesco 99 mapping for track days.

With regards to remapping, four pitfalls to watch out for are:-
1) it is not possible to properly remap a car without someone mapping the car itself (i.e. don't send your ECU away to get flashed, it won't be as good as live mapping)
2) Don't pay for a software licence such as ECUTek, ECUFlash is better and you're only paying for mappers time, rather than licence + mappers time.
3) If you can find a mapper that maps on the road, nothing wrong with rolling road mapping but on the road IS much better
4) Aftermarket ECU's are an expensive waste of money unless you're going for big stroker/turbo type stuff. Stock ECU is better than most people think

Oh, one more tip, if you're doing mods on the car, do them all at the same time and get it mapped at the same time, something like an exhaust, decat, filter alone can change fuelling and cause car to run rich/lean etc.
 
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You can't lose either way as has been said.

I always wanted an Evo since my first Gran Turismo game, but when the time came to get a new car the Evo was just too expensive for me where as the scooby fit perfectly.

My mine also preferred the mechanical way the scooby went about its business compared to the electronic way the evo does

After having owned the scoob for 6 months i don't pine for the Evo atall, i love the sound of the engine, its comfy enough for every day use and the petrol isnt too bad either (compared to an evo...)
 
sovietspybob said:
My mine also preferred the mechanical way the scooby went about its business compared to the electronic way the evo does
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If you're talking about the electronic diff then not all Evo's have them and I would suggest to the OP if you do get an Evo you go for one that doesn't have an electronic diff but an RS (mechanical) diff.
 
sovietspybob said:
My mine also preferred the mechanical way the scooby went about its business compared to the electronic way the evo does
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I don't know why people have these hang ups about the AYC/ACD. It's hardly intrusive and when tested it was faster than an RS Diff equipped equivalent.

boxman2000 said:
If you're talking about the electronic diff then not all Evo's have them and I would suggest to the OP if you do get an Evo you go for one that doesn't have an electronic diff but an RS (mechanical) diff.
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The only reason I'd get an RS diff over a AYC/ACD setup is for reliability issues.
 
ScoobyDoo69 said:
So what you've found annoys you is turbo lag.. not lag from a TMIC?
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Basic physics... any intercooler will increase lag. TMIC is better than FMIC... noticeably.

But even TMIC in combination with a turbo can be annoying if you're not used to it / prepared for it.

It might be inconsequential to the op, doesn't mean it doesn't exist ;)
 
Having many friends who have owned both Evos and Imprezas, I would say without any question... Evo.
 
For me if running costs didn't matter so much I'd get an Evo 6 TME out of your choices, but if you do a decent amount of miles then I'd sway towards the Impreza.

Doing 400 odd miles a week I can't really justify the higher costs of the Evo for the type of driving I do at the moment.
 
OP, 2 websites to check out, ladsoc.co.uk (lancashire and district subaru owners club) and scoobynet.co.uk.
I would also point you in the direction of the MY (Model Year) 03 JDM Subaru's, which are noted to be considerably better than the evo's of the same time (acutally just look on youtube, dont think any evo kept up ;)) plus being twin scroll they are virutally lagless, making for a refreshing drive, ok no burble due to the equal length headers but probably the best engine subaru has made, just quite hard to find in the UK :(
Out of the 2, Subaru have been producing the better car from 2003 (JDM v JDM as all evo's are imports ;))

Tony
 
my budget is £9000 absolute max. I will be using the cars 2 - 3 times a week max. Once to give it a 30 mile round trip to work and back and at the weekend for fun and going to places.

So about 30 - 70 miles a week'ish.
 
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