Murdoch shaving foam attack guy gets 6 weeks in jail

Biohazard said:
She started as soon as the threat was over in my opinion.
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No, she started as soon as she perceived the threat from where I was sitting.

Just to add so there is no claims of ninja editing:

Some opinions claim she committed assault and some say she didn't. Perhaps it was best that the decision for this was left to people better qualified than some people on an internet forum... You know, the sort of people that prosecute this stuff for a living and have access to ALL the evidence available....
 
Richie said:
No, she started as soon as she perceived the threat from where I was sitting.

Just to add so there is no claims of ninja editing:

Some opinions claim she committed assault and some say she didn't. Perhaps it was best that the decision for this was left to people better qualified than some people on an internet forum... You know, the sort of people that prosecute this stuff for a living and have access to ALL the evidence available....
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Are you going to answer all my questions twice? :confused:

Oh dear, I'm shot down by Richie for being on an internet forum with an opinion. God forbid, whatever next.
 
Von Smallhausen said:
Could you Bh, in a split second, make the call that the pie was a one off and the assailant posed no further threat and stand back and do nothing ?
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It's hard to say, the PoV was different to what she would have seen on the ground so what we saw would have looked different obv. My only thinking is that there were other people interjecting before and at the same time who pushed him out of reach so much so she appeared to have to lean over people to hit him. There were also police in attendence albiet still in transit I think. She could have seen any sort of risk I suppose I can't say, but rationally there is nothing at those split seconds that she is going to achieve by striking him.
 
Biohazard said:
Are you going to answer all my questions twice? :confused:

Oh dear, I'm shot down by Richie for being on an internet forum with an opinion. God forbid, whatever next.
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Really, that's where you are going now....
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Biohazard said:
She could have seen any sort of risk I suppose I can't say, but rationally there is nothing at those split seconds that she is going to achieve by striking him.
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So it could be argued that her actions were reasonable in the circumstances ?

Only hindsight can shine a light on the subject to say there is nothing rationally achieved. At that time, in those circumstances and I dare say in her mind, there was.
 
Biohazard said:
Thanks.

But we shouldn't add to the tariff by stealth, if we need a charge relevent to the Houses then we should have it. Given the number of crimes that seem to happen in and around the palace it might not seem to be a bad thing if possible..
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I take it you've never heard of sentencing guidelines?

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sentencing_manual/common_assult/

No need for additional rules, the custodial sentence is the starting point for an offence with two or more higher culpability factors.

We have 1 and 2 on the higher culpability in this case.
 
Richie said:
Absolutely not. If you read my post I said "opinions". Not my fault if you take it personally when I was addressing it to all the posters in this thread that deemed she committed assault.
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Well next time you are giving opinions about unnamed posters don't quote me, or if you are make it obvious when you aren't to busy with the rolleyes and hyperbole.
 
Von Smallhausen said:
So it could be argued that her actions were reasonable in the circumstances ?
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Yes of course it can, I just don't think it was in that small timeframe there was already preventative actions taking place. It was superflous for gaining his apprehension or RM's security.



Von Smallhausen said:
Only hindsight can shine a light on the subject to say there is nothing rationally achieved. At that time, in those circumstances and I dare say in her mind, there was.
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I'm a bit more inclined to think you'd have to be at least a bit irrational if you think that is going to help with the ruckus already being pushed apart but who know's what her PoV or train of thought was. Two wrongs don't make a right as they say however. I believe in that firmly, and I don't think this warrants an assault in reply... or two of them.. arguably more serious than that of foam notwithstanding concerns about the substance.
 
Biohazard said:
Yes of course it can, I just don't think it was in that small timeframe there was already preventative actions taking place. It was superflous for gaining his apprehension or RM's security.
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You're talking about the space of less than two seconds in which time your spouse is being attacked. That's not time to analyse the situation in the depth that you're suggesting.
 
Dolph said:
I take it you've never heard of sentencing guidelines?

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sentencing_manual/common_assult/

No need for additional rules, the custodial sentence is the starting point for an offence with two or more higher culpability factors.

We have 1 and 2 on the higher culpability in this case.
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He was reffering to contempt of court or similar I believe, so I'm saying if that's an increasing problem in Parliament a similar complaint and charge should be considered.

As for 1 and 2, well I've never regarded foam as a weapon but I suppose it would depend on your definition. Unless you mean damage to his suit, then I suppose so but this isn't the Armani court is it? I've never heard of foam harming someone before. ;)
 
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