Government drops website blocking

So why do you want Google to filter its search results? Filter results that are legal?

Torrent - As we all know people are searching for illegal downloads this way.
Porn - This should be filtered to protect children, a lot harder to access it anyway, theres no security on porn at all.
Hacking - People think they are clever because they can hack causing global melt down, why? pathetic. Lets take the PS3 scenario here for example.

^^ these were just .... examples.

I feel that you should make your own decisions on morals, I acknowledge that in some cases people can't afford to buy products and never will, in these cases I don't feel that filesharing is causing much harm as they would have never bought the product in the first place. As a student on no income, I can barely afford to have any hardware let alone purchasing software + media, when I get a good job I am sure that my attitudes will change.

I have made my own mind up on morals. What stoofa posted below is how I see it.

Personally no - I got the free copy they gave away about a year ago, the free license for life?
But as an example I have 3 paid for licenses for WinZip because I use it on 3 different machines.

Every single piece of software on our 2 desktops, 1 laptop and 1 Macbook is 100% legitimate.
Mainly because I don't feel the world owes me a living.
I use things and so I pay for them, it's all pretty simple.

As to those who keep on going on about "it isn't theft" - a rose by any other name.....
Call it what you want, be as technical as you want to be. Bottom line is you're taking something that doesn't belong to you.
If you feel that is OK then go for your life - defend piracy as much as you want to.
However I was bought up with morals passed on to me from my parents. One of these was not to steal, not to take things that don't belong to you.
I choose to follow these morals.
 
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I have made my own mind up on morals. What stoofa posted below is how I see it.


Well he said this,
However I was bought up with morals passed on to me from my parents. One of these was not to steal, not to take things that don't belong to you.
I don't really think Morals should just allow to be handed down to you without any thought processes on your half done, what if your parents were bigots? In reality only a small percentage of pirates would buy the product if it were not for pirating.
From being on warez forums quite a while, I can tell you the vast majority of pirates on these forums are teenagers. Very rarely have I see anyone 20+. Though there are a few warez sites which are more mature, especially where they have a fee.
 
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I can control my urges it's other people downloading illegal material that's my concern. What's selfish about that?

NO, you said 'they should ask Google to control their search results e.t.c what can and what can't be searched. For example Torrents, porn'
So now tell me why do you want porn to be hidden from everyone else, if you have issues with it then like i said to ask your mummy to get net nanny for you.
Wanting it to be blocked because

A. you couldnt control your urges and got caught fapping
B. yours doesn't work
C. Your roommate faps infront of you
D. maybe you're the roommate who faps infront of others and need help.

is selfish.


btw porn isn't illegal, there are a load of sites who make a ton of money from it and rely on search engines like google for people to find them.
 
My cinema ticket, from my own point of view entitles me to watch the film as it's intended, once, be it in the cinema, or online if ever needed, and no this hasn't happened before, it was merely an example, but I realise how you love assuming things, so to save you the embarrassment, I'll point it out now.

I have paid my fare to use this service, and I will get my service how it is intended. If the service isn't as intended then I expect a refund, and if a refund is refused then I will get my use of the service by whatever means it has to be, "simples".

I know legally, I am not allowed to, I never said I was, but I would do anyway because morally I know I am entitled to it.
Downloading and distributing the film online, is a different matter, which is where it would be more of a moral issue, streaming it? No. I don't mean streaming it multiple times, either. Just the once, to get back what I was intended to get in the first place.




By comparison to your replies? Not at all.

I would love to see that defence in court! Your example is hilarious, why on earth would you think a cinema ticket gives you the moral right to illegally download a film!?
 
I really don't care if the law states I can or cannot. I will get my use from the service that I pay for. Same thing with the game example, if I have paid for a game, and then the service I purchased it from prevents me playing it, I will get it by an alternate method.

I bought the ticket on basis I would get a pleasurable experience viewing said film at the cinema I bought it from, if for whatever reason their end of the deal cannot be completed and they refuse to reimburse my money, then like i stated, i'll use whatever method necessary to acquire it. They production company won't lose or gain any more money from me by doing so.

Then it's on the cinemas head to provide a better service so such incidents don't occur.

Disguised bow out? Not at all. I thought you were done and just giving petty 1 liners back to me. Since that's not the case we may continue. I do love the "You lose", though, it's not quite over yet, you've honed in on my poorer example which I typed while at work, and I do admit, it is a poor example. The game example is still just as valid, if not more-so, so lets focus on this shall we? You may still reply to the cinema example, but it's a bit of a circular argument which won't go anywhere so it feels a little pointless.


With a game service you pay for a CD-Key, regardless of what happens, that CD-key is now yours, it's bound to your account and cannot ever be given to anyone else. With EA's origin, they can after a certain period of time completely block your access to this game that you have paid for. For what reason? Well there is no real reason. Before they had another stipulation that after 6 months, you couldn't re-download your game again from the download manager. What option is there left? That CD key is still yours, you don't have a disk to install it and there's no other way to get the client. Oh that's right, torrents. But torrents are bad, right? They're illegal, so you shouldn't be able to play that game, sitting on your account unless you go and purchase it again just for the disk. That's insanity.

Same with Steam, you just bought "The witcher 2" on Steam, it's your only game on there, but Steam has just closed your account for no reason what-so-ever, you can't access your CD-Key, you can't access the download. Torrenting it is your only option, you've paid the developer for their game, yet you can't use it because of a discrepancy with the service you purchased it through. Is it theft to take the game off a torrent to play it? I mean you just bought it yesterday and for no reason at all you can't access it. By your logic, it is theft, and by a lot of others logic it's theft too. But by my logic, I am taking what I paid for. I paid for a game, and the service cannot provide me with this game, so I will get it by whatever means that I have to.

You bought the cinema ticket under the premise that you will be watching a film at the cinema.

Wow, broken record here.

Steam will not have closed your account for no reason what-so-ever. The T&Cs (that you agreed to) state Steam can close an account for any reason they like. The purchase of a game in Steam is not your CD key, it is the purchase of a license to play the game via Steam.
 
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Can someone help explain this? I didn't see it posted already in this thread.

BBC said:
Millions of people regularly convert movies on DVDs and music on CDs into a format that they can move around more easily, although most do not realise that it is technically illegal.
I thought that as long as you maintain ownership of the original media, you could copy it in any way you want for your own personal use. Ripping my CDs so I can listen to them on my MP3 player, or converting VHS to digital for examples. I still own the originals but they aren't cluttering up my shelves anymore. I'm not giving away copies to anyway. Isn't that legal?
 
Torrent - As we all know people are searching for illegal downloads this way.
Porn - This should be filtered to protect children, a lot harder to access it anyway, theres no security on porn at all.
Hacking - People think they are clever because they can hack causing global melt down, why? pathetic. Lets take the PS3 scenario here for example.

^^ these were just .... examples.

This will not work. Too many ways around a simple filter.

a) miss-spellings, eg t0rr3nt
b) word substitution, eg we'll start calling child porn "delicious cake".

You would also have to add the names of all adult performers to this filter, along with all adult film titles. Unworkable.
 
Torrent - As we all know people are searching for illegal downloads this way.
Porn - This should be filtered to protect children, a lot harder to access it anyway, theres no security on porn at all.
Hacking - People think they are clever because they can hack causing global melt down, why? pathetic. Lets take the PS3 scenario here for example.
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BitTorrent is a protocol, you also equally mad at HTTP or FTP or NTP?

Protecting "children" is a massive Straw Man and isn't Google's responsibility. It is the parents.

Hacking. Again it is perfectly legal to discuss hacking. Just like discussing file sharing.

Freedom of speech, freedom of expression trumps your problems. If you have issues with these then switch off the Internet. Only then will you be "safe"
 
Can someone help explain this? I didn't see it posted already in this thread.

I thought that as long as you maintain ownership of the original media, you could copy it in any way you want for your own personal use. Ripping my CDs so I can listen to them on my MP3 player, or converting VHS to digital for examples. I still own the originals but they aren't cluttering up my shelves anymore. I'm not giving away copies to anyway. Isn't that legal?

It's different over here to the USA, something on the radio few months back about how the UK is one a of a few with copyright laws written in such a way and that it's not really enforced.
 
I don't download games, but i have downloaded music. The thing is with me, i would never buy the music anyway as it doesnt interest me enough to buy it. I've only downloaded things if i was having a party and wanted a few tunes to play that night, but i wouldnt listen to them again and ive deleted all of the music from my pc.

Saying that, i have just got back into listening to music because of spotify as i can find allmost any random old mix i'd forgotten about instantly. It's brilliant and has sparked my interest in music again, i still wouldnt buy it, but it is definatley the way forward in terms of reducing copyright theft and moving with technology.
 
BitTorrent is a protocol, you also equally mad at HTTP or FTP or NTP?

Hell why stop there, lets ban TCP and IP as well, these are all different protocols that could be used for THEFT. Ban all phones as well, just in case someone phones up and asks someone for a Serial key.
 
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Hell why stop there, lets ban TCP and IP as well, these are all different protocols that could be used for THEFT. Ban all phones as well, just in case someone phones up and asks someone for a Serial key.

Ban people talking. People cause THEFT. People make pornography. People do hacking.
 
Hacking. Again it is perfectly legal to discuss hacking. Just like discussing file sharing.


You just reminded me, I find it disgusting about the connotations of "hackers". There is a large group of hobbyists out there who enjoy find exploits in programs,hacking together really cool thinks such as uav rc planes etc.. People should be reminded at how many technologies have came about from "hacking".
 
I would love to see that defence in court! Your example is hilarious, why on earth would you think a cinema ticket gives you the moral right to illegally download a film!?

He made an attempt to legally watch a film, which failed (I assume through no fault of his own) so he downloaded it... causing zero harm to anyone or anything.

Problem? Nobody would have known any different had he not have told you.

iDroid84 said:
They should not ban Google, however they should ask Google to control their search results e.t.c what can and what can't be searched. For example Torrents, porn, hacking e.t.c.

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LOL!
 
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He made an attempt to legally watch a film, which failed (I assume through no fault of his own) so he downloaded it... causing zero harm to anyone or anything.

Problem? Nobody would have known any different had he not have told you.



LOL!

The problem is the convoluted argument he's putting forward, rather than that aspect, I think anyway. Having bought the cinema ticket certainly doesn't entitle him to download and watch it because he couldn't at the cinema, but I don't think it was wrong for him to do so.

The problem seems to lay solely in the word "entitled". I would think that "justified" is far more appropriate in this situation, as his reasoning is a perfectly fine justification for downloading it. I can't imagine many people other than lolDroid84 would have a problem with that concept, it just seems that people didn't like the "entitled" part.
 
You just reminded me, I find it disgusting about the connotations of "hackers". There is a large group of hobbyists out there who enjoy find exploits in programs,hacking together really cool thinks such as uav rc planes etc.. People should be reminded at how many technologies have came about from "hacking".

Like 'piracy' the term 'hacking' has been used to represent something it isn't. Technically it should be cracking but hey ho.

Some of the stuff people 'hack' together is amazing but if iDroid had is way he'd get Google to filter these results. That is if he allowed TCP/IP to continue to exist! :D
 
He made an attempt to legally watch a film, which failed (I assume through no fault of his own) so he downloaded it... causing zero harm to anyone or anything.

Problem? Nobody would have known any different had he not have told you.



LOL!
He made an attempt to watch an agreed viewing in a cinema of a film, just the once. The problem is that agreement does not include the right to obtain a copy free of charge, and does not include the right to watch said film at home, however many times he now pleases.
 
He made an attempt to watch an agreed viewing in a cinema of a film, just the once. The problem is that agreement does not include the right to obtain a copy free of charge, and does not include the right to watch said film at home, however many times he now pleases.

Do you actually think it's a problem for him to do that though? Surely you're not going to argue that it's wrong and he shouldn't have done it, are you?
 
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