Riots in Tottenham, London! (NO RACIST COMMENTS)

[Danthus]

If I was Cameron now, I'd double bluff those opportunistically calling for the police cuts to be reversed. I'd confirm that we're reversing the budget cuts to the police force, but that all the efficiency improvements, the ending of spanish practices around overtime, the reform of pensions and medical retirement of all 'officers' no longer fit for frontline duty would continue, and all the money saved would be spent on new active street police only

You really have little idea how the Police work.

No surprise you are making political capital out of this either.

 

[sanaxe1]

I really wish that there was no mercy for the missguided. All those convicted should be treated as vile traitors to the state and executed en mass. What has happened over the last few days is a complete joke and watching that particular vid of that hog of a mother with her chubby std spawned kids and that inbred, **** who wants to riot for a laugh, innit really ****** me off! I think this quote sums up my thoughts on the matter - "You are not free whose liberty is won by the rigour of other, more righteous souls. Your freedom is parasitic, you suck the honorable man dry and offer nothing in return. You who have enjoyed freedom, who have done nothing to earn it, Your time has come."

so if looters are traitors to the state. What does that make a guy calling for mass murders of British citizens?

 

[scorza]

I've said it before, and I will say it again:

STOP PUTTING STUDENTS WHO FAIL A SCHOOL YEAR THROUGH TO THE NEXT ONE!!!!

The amount of 16 year olds with almost no literacy and numerical skills is pathetic for a First World country. How can you then expect these same people to have the skills to go in to tertiary education, let alone get a job?

They do this in the USA and it would appear from afar that it doesn't really work there. Do we not still have remedial classes for children that are struggling with the basics?

I personally think the national curriculum should involve some sort of mannering or socializing kids. You hear these kids talking to interviewers and they sound totally thick and aggressive, there's no way they're going to get jobs sounding like that and no job leads to frustration. I'm not saying they need elocution lessons, but they do need to be able to string a sentence together in something resembling the English language. They need to be able to deal with people who aren't in their peer group.

 

[hola_adios]

If I was Cameron now, I'd double bluff those opportunistically calling for the police cuts to be reversed. I'd confirm that we're reversing the budget cuts to the police force, but that all the efficiency improvements, the ending of spanish practices around overtime, the reform of pensions and medical retirement of all 'officers' no longer fit for frontline duty would continue, and all the money saved would be spent on new active street police only

Public support would be high, and it would wonderfully outmaneuver the political behaviour of the police in trying to preserve indefensibly outdated working practices by hiding behind the riot.

Oh yes, let's annoy the police force a bit more and while at it let's sink their moral even further. These are the people protecting you, you have to take care of them and of their future. Do you realise you are starting to sound like groen?

Public support would be high? Really?

 

[Dolph]

You really have little idea how the Police work.

No surprise you are making political capital out of this either.

Why shouldn't I, everyone else is trying to

 

[scorza]

No surprise you are making political capital out of this either.

I agree with this sentiment. What we really need now isn't Labour and the Conservatives blaming each other, it's for them to work together, look at the evidence of what schemes are effective and which ones aren't for dealing with social exclusion and come up with a plan that they will agree won't automatically get torn down when the government changes.

 

[Dolph]

Oh yes, let's annoy the police force a bit more and while at it let's sink their moral even further. These are the people protecting you, you have to take care of them and of their future. Do you realise you are starting to sound like groen?

Public support would be high? Really?

More officers patrolling the street? Yeah, public support would be high for that, indeed it's one of the major complaints that despite having the highest number of warranted officers ever, we have the lowest number ever doing actual frontline police work.

The police force is a service for the public, not a jobs club for people. The police federation needs to remember that.

 

[Danthus]

Why shouldn't I, everyone else is trying to

That is exactly the attitude that seem to be prevalent amongst the looters.

 

[Dolph]

They do this in the USA and it would appear from afar that it doesn't really work there. Do we not still have remedial classes for children that are struggling with the basics?

Which is why we need selection back in schools, the current method of teaching everyone together doesn't work, and ensures that the ones behind remain behind.

I personally think the national curriculum should involve some sort of mannering or socializing kids. You hear these kids talking to interviewers and they sound totally thick and aggressive, there's no way they're going to get jobs sounding like that and no job leads to frustration. I'm not saying they need elocution lessons, but they do need to be able to string a sentence together in something resembling the English language. They need to be able to deal with people who aren't in their peer group.

Socialising etc already exists in most schools, when I was at school it was called 'PSE' (personal and social education) and was a complete waste of time where teachers tried to brainwash kids into trendy left-wing causes...

We also teach English at school already, the problem isn't that the subjects aren't taught, it's either that the kids aren't willing to learn or the teaching is poor, or some combination of the two.

 

[hola_adios]

More officers patrolling the street? Yeah, public support would be high for that, indeed it's one of the major complaints that despite having the highest number of warranted officers ever, we have the lowest number ever doing actual frontline police work.

The police force is a service for the public, not a jobs club for people. The police federation needs to remember that.

Jobs club people? Are you really serious? What you are proposing will just serve to alienate the entire of the police force. Sure you want that?

And what everyone wants is to be safe, why do I care if I see a police officer or not, that is just pure marketing.

 

[DiCe!]

Which is why we need selection back in schools, the current method of teaching everyone together doesn't work, and ensures that the ones behind remain behind.



Socialising etc already exists in most schools, when I was at school it was called 'PSE' (personal and social education) and was a complete waste of time where teachers tried to brainwash kids into trendy left-wing causes...

We also teach English at school already, the problem isn't that the subjects aren't taught, it's either that the kids aren't willing to learn or the teaching is poor, or some combination of the two.

There are sets for teaching already?

The smart kids go together and the thick kids go together,


"and was a complete waste of time where teachers tried to brainwash kids into trendy left-wing causes..."

WTF are you talking about?!

 

[krooton]

They do this in the USA and it would appear from afar that it doesn't really work there. Do we not still have remedial classes for children that are struggling with the basics?

I'm basing it on when I was in school in SA.

If you factor out the people living in townships who didn't get access to proper schools (the schooling they received can't really be compared to British schools), things tended to work fairly well.

Fail a year, do it again.
Fail again, get reviewed to see if you have any learning difficulties that weren't glaringly obvious.
If not, it is figured that you are not academically minded (not everyone is) and you placed in a vocational college to learn trades instead.

It was pretty embarrassing to be kept back a year, and this meant that those without real difficulties at least put in enough effort to scrape a pass, which meant they left school with the base skills of literacy and numeracy and at least some knowledge in the subjects they did.

 

[hola_adios]

Why shouldn't I, everyone else is trying to

I am not, and many others are not either, so do not generalise so easily.

Cheap and easy point scoring in politics is what has brought many of the problems we see on the telly right now.

 

[badcompany]

Labours legacy

Leftwing politcal correctness , benefit stateism, unfetted immigration and the fear of being branded a racist or 'bigoted' this is their mess not content with recking the economy they tore down the basic fabric of our society.

 

[Dolph]

Jobs club people? Are you really serious? What you are proposing will just serve to alienate the entire of the police force. Sure you want that?

The police force are there to serve the public, if they are not happy with the best and most efficient ways of providing the service, then they shouldn't be there.

This attitude that we have to pander to public sector workers over issues of best practice makes no sense to me. The best way to run the force is surely the way that provides the best results at the most efficient cost to the taxpayer, not to keep things because they've happened before or because, even though it's bad practice, it keeps the staff happy.

And what everyone wants is to be safe, why do I care if I see a police officer or not, that is just pure marketing.

How is a warranted police officer working in the HR department keeping you safe? This is the sort of officer number inflation that's been occurring, huge numbers of 'officers' in roles that (a) don't require an officer and (b) are taking officer positions away from actually serving the public. No police officer should be in a position that doesn't require a warranted officer.

 

[Danthus]

You are really clueless Dolph. At a time where the Police have literally tacken a kicking you want to change working practises, of which you have little or no idea how they work, in order to gain political points.

You should be ashamed of yourself to be frank. You are the opitome of an excel spreadsheet toting middle manager with little idea of how the real world operates.

As I and others have said, your shockingly hypocrital about turn in this very thread is amazing.

 

[Stolly]

national service is a great idea

if your 18 and not in study or work, your in the army

then you will learn discipline, hard work, skills, working as a team, and not have time to hang around complaining that you have nothing to do

Its a terrible idea, the services are a professional body with a difficult job to do, not social workers.

 

[Firestar_3x]

Let's face it, only Jeremy Kyle can help us now..........

 

[Dolph]

You are really clueless Dolph. At a time where the Police have literally tacken a kicking you want to change working practises, of which you have little or no idea how they work, in order to gain political points.

The working practices changes are already planned. All I'm suggesting is to not abandon them if the cuts are abandoned, but to use the extra money in a more productive fashion.

You should be ashamed of yourself to be frank. You are the opitome of an excel spreadsheet toting middle manager with little idea of how the real world operates.

As opposed to the shop floor workers who think they own the company? I think I'll take that as a compliment

As I and others have said, your shockingly hypocrital about turn in this very thread is amazing.

What hypocritical turn? I have, from the start of this thread, confirmed that those rioting are scum. I did refuse to be drawn into the 'blame the blacks' mentality. I've always been for harsh punishments for those involved in this sort of fear inducing public disorder (see my support for Charlie Gilmour being sent down for 16 months etc). I've also long been a proponent of rights coming with responsibilities and cutting off benefits from people who refuse to be responsible for their behaviour.

The only possible thing you could say is that I advocated harsh measures be used against the protesters when it was clear this was getting out of hand, but if you noticed, I advocated clear warnings being issued prior to this step being taken so there could be no doubt that if people made the decision to go out and riot, they knew exactly what the consequences would be.

Can you give me a clear example of an 'about turn' by me in this thread? All my talk of liberty and freedom has always been countered with talk of the need to balance rights where appropriate.

 

[alexakasloth]

"and was a complete waste of time where teachers tried to brainwash kids into trendy left-wing causes..."

WTF are you talking about?!

Condoms are very trendy and left wing causes.