At the next election will we see a big swing to the right?

I expect Labour to get back in.

Plenty of people in this nation would rather have free handouts bankrolled on the great national credit card which is already way over the limit than have the country on a sound financial footing going into the future.

That attitude will see the country to ruin.

The cycle of Labour bankrupts, Tories cut to fix it, Labour bankrupts, Tories cut to fix it will continue. The Coalition/Tories may get another term, but the cuts will have to run even deeper to have the slightest hope of beginning to pay back this debt.

The current reality is, we need severe and massive cutbacks to our expenditure and then we need to keep that level of spending for 20-30 years to even get close to paying off a large chunk of the debt Labour brought upon us. World War 2 was cheaper than the last Labour government.

Faced with the prospect of mass cutbacks for a prolonged period, it's no wonder that so many want to bury their head in the sand and go back to the Labour land of irresponsible and selfish spending. They're attitude is "if Labour want to buy my votes, why not?".

This is putting aside the disgusting social engineering and insane immigration policies that Labour have had and continue to have. The country is full in the London area, yet most Labour councils want to increase their local populations by incredible amounts. Public services are stretched to breaking point where I live already, yet Labour want another 20,000 people to come and live here in the next 5-10 years, it's absolutely bonkers.

The cycle of demolishing houses and replacing them with flats (which have a percentage of council funded tennants) is well under way here.
 
wildman said:
I am not sure they will be afforded that liberty in the future. I seriously see parts of this country going into lockdown similar to Northern Ireland.
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Not needed and not going to happen. There will be more riots: there always are when the economy is doing poorly and spending is being cut. But they won't be like the last few days.

Next time the police will likely have all their tools deployed i.e rubber bullets and water cannon.
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Why do people keep banging on about this, despite the fact that the Police themselves have repeatedly made clear that (a) they aren't appropriate and (b) they don't want them?

There is no way the government are going to let something like this happend again, well not at least untill the olympics are done
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The government have limited abilities to stop it. Riots like this aren't the result of anything recent, but of long term problems, they're a symptom of wider and deeper problems. Fixing that would take a long time. The Olympics themselves will be well protected by a large Police presence but they can't keep that going all the time - especially when their budgets are being cut.
 
avec said:
I expect Labour to get back in.


The current reality is, we need severe and massive cutbacks to our expenditure and then we need to keep that level of spending for 20-30 years to even get close to paying off a large chunk of the debt Labour brought upon us. World War 2 was cheaper than the last Labour government.
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I agree with your sentiment, but your facts are slightly off

http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_national_debt_chart.html

current debt levels do not exceed those of post WW2, they are the highest they have ever been outside a 'war' situation for sometime though
 
Sadly logically we need to stick with conservatives. I don't like it but that's the only option considering our financial and economic problems. I want rid of the debt regardless of my ideals and I don't trust the other 2 to do enough in that department.
 
I'm not sure which I would prefer. Benefit loving left wing labour lunatics, u-turn central call be dave, the other one who's party colour is yellow (i think) or one of the smaller ones.

I know I don't want labour for sure.
I know I don't want lib dem for sure.
I know I don't want BNP or UKIP for sure.
I know I don't really want a conservative government if it's going to be run like this one.

Bring back thatcher?

EDIT: Feel like I wasted a vote for the conservative. I cannot put into words how disappointed I am in my fellow countrymen for allowing the lib dems even a sniff of power. Then again this is the country that voted labour in for three consecutive terms. Get what you deserve I suppose. Just irritates me I have to suffer at the hand of these idiot voters.
 
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scorza said:
Nope, imo at the next election it will still be mostly Labour and Conservative because we have an election system that only really supports two parties.
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you missed out the third option, even greater voter apathy resulting in the incumbent gov clinging to power.
 
VoG said:
you missed out the third option, even greater voter apathy resulting in the incumbent gov clinging to power.
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which is pretty much whatkept labour in government for 13 years

http://www.ukpolitical.info/Turnout45.htm

1997 saw just over 70% turn out then the next 2 consecutive labour governments were brought into power by even smaller turnouts.

Thatcher came in at around 70% turnout and her conservative government over the next 3 elections came back to power with similar turnouts. The last decade has seen turnouts which are a lot lower which obviously shows a certain level of apathy in the electorate. This is what needs to be addressed, why is it that people can;t be arsed to vote. Salve that and it might be a first step in the right direction to getting UK Plc back on track ?

The same thing will likely happen again in 2014/2015 when the next election is called, which likelly will see, as you say the incumbents remain.
 
After seeing tonights Question Time i would have to say yes!

Usually the Question Time is full of left-wing Labour apologists, but tonight was a huge swing to the right
 
As what Robgmun said, QT did have a large swing to the right.


Maybe it could be good xD

Quotes from BNP.

- Deport all the two million plus who are here illegally;
- Deport all those who commit crimes and whose original nationality was not British;
- Review all recent grants of residence or citizenship to ensure they are still appropriate;
- Offer generous grants to those of foreign descent resident here who wish to leave permanently;
- Stop all new immigration except for exceptional cases;
- Reject all asylum seekers who passed safe countries on their way to Britain.
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- Make all benefits and social housing only available to British citizens;
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- Develop alternative transport fuels such as bio-diesel and hydrogen;
- Develop renewable energy sources such as wave and sea currents energy, tidal and solar energy;
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- Make prisons more austere and make criminals serve their full sentences. Offenders will be made to understand that they are being punished and not rewarded with a state-subsidised holiday for their crimes;
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- The restoration of discipline – including corporal punishment
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If this was still instated, chavs would not be so at large. Therefore... less chance of riots xD


A lot more harsh but some good points tbh.
 
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Efour2 said:
Im not really that bothered who is in control any more. They are all out for themselves, will say whatever keeps them in power and shy away when we turn to them for leadership and real guidance.
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I agree. Voting is simply an illusion to convince you that your vote matters and your voice can be heard.
 
starfighter said:
Sadly logically we need to stick with conservatives. I don't like it but that's the only option considering our financial and economic problems. I want rid of the debt regardless of my ideals and I don't trust the other 2 to do enough in that department.
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The problem is though the Tories don't care who loses out in the rush to get rid of our debt and balance the books. The don't care how many people they will make unemployed by there policies.

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BunnyKillBot said:
What we need is a swing to the down left, holding up idiols like ghandi and mandela rather than hitler and thatcher. But alas, the world is too full of idiots.
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Ever read what Ghandi had to say about Kaffirs? He wasn't exactly a fan of black people:

"Kaffirs are as a rule uncivilised - the convicts even more so. They are troublesome, very dirty and live almost like animals. Each ward contains nearly 50 to 60 of them. They often started rows and fought among themselves. The reader can easily imagine the plight of the poor Indian thrown into such company!"

"Even the half-castes and Kaffirs, who are less advanced than we, have resisted the Government. The pass law applies to them as well, but they do not take out passes."

"The Boer Government insulted the Indians by classing them with the Kaffirs."

"It was a gross injustice to seek to place Indians in the same class as the Kaffirs."

"The £3 tax is merely a penalty for wearing the brown skin and it would appear that, whereas Kaffirs are taxed because they do not work at all or sufficiently, we are to be taxed evidently because we work too much, the only thing in common between the two being the absence of the white skin."

"Why, of all places in Johannesburg, the Indian Location should be chosen for dumping down all the Kaffirs of the town passes my comprehension. ...Of course, under my suggestion, The Town Council must withdraw the Kaffirs from the Location. About this mixing of Kaffirs with the Indians, I must confess I feel most strongly."
 
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Would it be a bad thing?

What has LibLabCon

Offered the UK since the end of WW2

My grandparents use to say, they are all the same
My parents say, they are all the same
I am saying, they are all the same

Decade after Decade of war, poverty, pain, recession, grim times

2011 what a start to the decade, lulz
 
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Efour2 said:
Im not really that bothered who is in control any more. They are all out for themselves, will say whatever keeps them in power and shy away when we turn to them for leadership and real guidance.
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This is patently untrue, Conservatives are doing an incredibly amount of massively unpopular things, because they NEED to be done, they didn't campaign and lie, they said, cuts, we need to get the economy back on track, we'll have hard years, we need severe cuts.

Labour and Libdems lied to everyone right through their campaigns. All the world financial agencies are saying most of the really in trouble countries are in trouble because they aren't making enough cuts, and the UK is in better shape because its clearly making more cuts than everyone else and its the clear intent that makes people have much more faith we can get back on track than other countries.

This is the very thing Labour campaigned AGAINST, and is constantly argueing about now, less cuts will be good for us, somehow, and this is the idiots who got us into the economic crisis, every single time they blame bankers, or rich people, they are flat out lying.

I choose the party that tells the truth, says they'll do unpopular things, says upfront what needs doing, then does it, and doesn't lie through their god damned teeth in order to win elections, nor pay off the poor to win their votes while lying to them about helping them.

There was no "underclass", Labour created an underclass by treating them completely differently. Rich kids work as they grow up, poor people don't need to, thereby making them massively less prepared when they try to get a job. Labour insist on creating a separation between the poor and everyone else, then blaming the other parties for them being poor, then getting in power and bankrupting the country by throwing money at them, rather than getting them jobs like everyone else.

Labour treats them as poor people, lies, doles out blame, and makes it HARDER to get jobs or get on with life by giving them the option of free money for nothing in larger quantities than a low paying job. So people choose to stay on benefits, when a low paying job, will lead to a higher paying job in the future.

Labour treats "poorer" people differently, in an actively incredibly harmful way, for political posturing, nothing more or less. Its sickening, completely disgusting behavior.

AS I said, one party tells you the hard things they will do, one parties lies about all the good they'll do, one is going for votes, one is trying to fix the country.
 
Evoss said:
As what Robgmun said, QT did have a large swing to the right.


Maybe it could be good xD

Quotes from BNP.


If this was still instated, chavs would not be so at large. Therefore... less chance of riots xD


A lot more harsh but some good points tbh.
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Did the BNP state how they would finance all that crap in their manifesto ? Arm chair policy makers are a dime to the dozen, but when you get in power and have to make the decisions and actually find the cash to finance crap it gets 'real'.

Look what happened to Clegg, he was party political posturing throughout the entire campaign then suddenly he was in a position of power to make decisions and reality kicked in........

oh yes these policies cost money.........

students want free university - sorry guys we haven't got the cash for it.
 
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