*Throws toys out of the pram*

[iamtheoneneo]

goof for HTC, they are the phone company of today and the future...Apple are in the past, they cant even release a phone once a year for crying out loud. good phone manufactures arent they! "oh but sir its because of the qualities, yeh qualities and shiny alu-minimumumums"

whatever..

 

[Raikiri]

Yup, I hate their company that much:

- don't like the prices they sell their items at

You mean pretty much the same price as comparable kit?

Macbook Air vs. Samsung Series 9 - Same price for about the same spec, MBA is probably a bit better value.

iMac 27 vs. Er, nothing really compares directly.

iPad vs. Samsung 10.1 - Fiver more, meh.

Mac Pro - A bit pricier than the competitors, but a workstation from most companies will cost nearly as much.

iPhone 4 - Same price as any other companies top end phone.

- don't like the way they take ideas that have been around for ages and reintroduce them as brand new and that they thought of them first and every one believes them

Not everyone believes them, at all. What they do is take existing ideas and refine them, after that it's all marketing. Every company uses marketing to sell their products, some just don't use it as well.

- don't like how closed they are for there software side

Jailbreak it, problem solved. Their PCs are just as open, maybe moreso in that you can install any OS you wish without mucking about.

- don't like the majority of owners who are snobbish, or just plain stupid thinking that the iphone/imac what ever, is the best thing on earth and nothing is better than it, and especially the way they try and justify the cost of there products despite the fact you can get much better

The majority of owners aren't snobbish nor stupid. They think that what they have is the best because, for them it probably is. Not everyone wants to build their own PC or muck about with software.

products/components for a lot cheaper "oh but it has aluminium casing and feels like a premium device that is why it is so much more expensive "

They often are higher quality in terms of build. You can't compare a £600 HP to a MBP, they just aren't the same even if they look like it on paper. I'd know, I own a £600 HP!

- don't like steve jobs

Fair enough, but irrelavant to the products.

- just don't like their software in general at all

Also fair enough.

 

[Broken Hope]

Android has more to worry about than Android anyway, considering I'm pretty sure most of the Android OEMs technically aren't allowed to distribute Linux any more due to breaking the licensing terms.

 

[JIM_BOB7813]

Fair enough, but irrelavant to the products.

People don't just buy a product based on their opinion of the product itself. Steve jobs is part of the apple image, for good or for bad. Which is what a lot of people buy into; or don't (obviously not all).

 

[mrk]

Why would they want to distribute Linux?

 

[Broken Hope]

Why would they want to distribute Linux?

Android's kernal is Linux, didn't you know?

 

[mrk]

Yes I'm aware but I don't see how that stops a makers shipping their own OS on their handsets.

 

[Broken Hope]

Yes I'm aware but I don't see how that stops a makers shipping their own OS on their handsets.

http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/08/most-android-vendors-lost-their-linux.html

 

[mrk]

Interesting, never heard of that!

 

[Nexus18]

You mean pretty much the same price as comparable kit?

Nope they are all a rip off compared to comparable kit and even worst most of the time, you can buy a really top end laptop for the same price or a good bit less than what a macbook etc. would cost with worst components.

There was a thread on neowin where some guy was comparing a top end acer laptop to a macbook pro costing quite a bit more iirc. ad he said something like how can apple justify charging this much more when this acer laptop is far better and costs a good bit less and the typical responses from every single apple owner/fanboy was "oh but it has aluminium casing and the software is sooooo much better than windows 7"

I will try to find it when I have more time.

Not everyone believes them, at all. What they do is take existing ideas and refine them, after that it's all marketing. Every company uses marketing to sell their products, some just don't use it as well.

Yes, not everyone, but the stupid people do. Your right, they take existing ideas add something very minor to it but they still make it out as if it is something brand new that only they thought off when in actual fact it has been around for ages and all of sudden that idea takes off like a new generation thing just because of that.

I will give you that, no one is as good at marketing their products as apple and that is one of the main reasons why they are so successful today, I honestly wonder where they would be now without it.

Jailbreak it, problem solved. Their PCs are just as open, maybe moreso in that you can install any OS you wish without mucking about.

Nope, even jailbroken you are still very limited in what you can do compared to android at stock, once you root and flash a custom ROM on android handsets you have soooo much more choice then. The only reason I know why some people jailbreak is to get flash and get paid apps installed for free where as with android, you have hundreds of ROMs to choose from, loads of apps that require root, non stop customization throughout the entire mobile, where as with apple, the only thing you can pretty much do is change the wallpaper iirc.

Plus I am not talking about the hardware, talking about how open the software is and there is absolutely no way a mac with their OS is as open as a PC with windows 7 or whatever on.

The majority of owners aren't snobbish nor stupid. They think that what they have is the best because, for them it probably is. Not everyone wants to build their own PC or muck about with software.

Ok, maybe not the vast majority, however an awful lot of people who own their products are. I know plenty of people and my friends also know loads of people with apple products and pretty much every one of them isn't as knowledgeable as what we would be (they don't have a clue about CPU, RAM etc.) and they are snobbish and they still think the iphones etc. are much better than everything else no matter how many times we have tried to explain to them, show videos, images etc.

They often are higher quality in terms of build. You can't compare a £600 HP to a MBP, they just aren't the same even if they look like it on paper. I'd know, I own a £600 HP!

Yes, higher quality, fair enough, however that does not justify the massive extra cost on top of it (people will have different views on this as some people want their products to feel expensive, were as others will just want the best hardware there is and not compromise on that just because it is too "light" "made out of plastic" or whatever the lame reason is.

Also I would much rather have something that is light, made out of plastic as at least it will survive drops, scratches etc. where as with the iphone 4 etc. you drop it, that expensive item becomes a battered ugly looking paper weight then.

Fair enough, but irrelavant to the products.

As said, it is part of the package.


Why do you think there are so many **** takes of apple with regards to their prices and the people that follow them, where as with other companies there is virtually none compared to apple.


This is the one I like a lot, it covers the pricing part perfectly:

 

[Steve_bullockuk]

How many more of these threads will it take before people take note that Nokia are the best and Symbian will soon take over the world.

Sent from my Nokia N95 8gb.

 

[Robbo]

You have way too much hatred for Apple Nexus, you need to relax

Sure, some of their stuff is expensive but if you can afford it, it's very good.

With regard to software, if you're success is going to be based on how 'open' the software is, Google are going about it totally the wrong way. That is never going to happen or wash with the majority of phone buyers. I'm ten times more into phones than your average person and I don't even bother rooting my Android phones now, nor do I use any of the 'special/unique' Android features any more really.

If I gave you a top spec Macbook Pro, an iPhone 4 and an iPad 2, I'd be able to convince you it's not all utter crap. The same goes for everyone else, like it or not.

 

[Steve_bullockuk]

If I gave you a top spec Macbook Pro, an iPhone 4 and an iPad 2, I'd be able to convince you it's not all utter crap. The same goes for everyone else.

Agree'd. It happened to me by someone else and I bought an iPhone 3gS. After that I bought the iPhone 4 and now ive actually switched to a rooted HTC Desire HD.

The bottom line is, the best smartphone for ease of use is an iPhone. There's just no getting away from it.

Personally I prefer Android to iOs but thats because im a massive phone geek and I like to tinker with it a lot. My GF has an iPhone 4 because she is not interested in changing the font colour of the simiclock widgit and adjusting the size to 12. She wants a phone that provides her with email, a small amount of internet browsing and a phone that isn't intrusive in her handbag due to size.

It really is all about what you want to get from a phone.

 

[Bennie-Mac]

How many more of these threads will it take before people take note that Nokia are the best and Symbian will soon take over the world.

Sent from my Nokia N95 8gb.

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/02/microsoft-and-nokia-team-up-to-build-windows-phones/

Not sure if srs so heres a link anyway

 

[Nexus18]

That is what my anger management class keeps telling me...........



Yes, it is good, it isn't terrible and I can understand why some people prefer to use their products, it is just the company and the some of the users (the majority ) that I do not like one bit, it is exactly the same with nvidia and ATI pretty much, although granted nvidia has been getting a bit better since the 5xx series, but still terrible.

Not just how open it is, but the things you can do with it. I just like having choice as to what I can use and what I can't, how it looks etc.

I am the same robbo, I would be into mobiles (mainly android) a lot more than the average person and most of the people on this forum I would say. And a lot more for PC/desktop with regards to hardware/software etc.

I admit Google/android still has problems that need to be addressed largely the fragmentation/software/crap skins etc. by motorola etc. and I also admit that I am getting fed up with all the flashing and custom ROMs now, however it was needed for my spica as the mobile is pretty damn crap on stock but once on a custom ROM it is soooo much better, where as with the GS 2, IMO there is absolutely no need to root and flash a custom ROM as pretty much everything is perfect out of the box (I would still replace the majority of stock apps with 3rd party ones though).

As I said the actual products aren't terrible, it is just that they do not suit me one bit as mentioned. I have used a macbook pro, iphone 4 etc. and honestly I really just don't like using them and I would put them back or give them back after about 5 mins, where as with android, windows etc. I can use for hours.

The one thing that I do like a lot about their products are the screens, the colours/quality etc. is just fantastic, although I still prefer the GS 2 screen and my dell 23" IPS monitor

 

[Raikiri]

Nope they are all a rip off compared to comparable kit and even worst most of the time, you can buy a really top end laptop for the same price or a good bit less than what a macbook etc. would cost with worst components.

Nope, they aren't. Sorry, but you're wrong here.

If you can find a 27" IPS based all in one with the same spec for less money, an ultraportable with similar dimensions, build and performance to the MBA or a top end tablet that costs significantly less than the iPad 2 I wold agree with you. But you can't.

There was a thread on neowin where some guy was comparing a top end acer laptop to a macbook pro costing quite a bit more iirc. ad he said something like how can apple justify charging this much more when this acer laptop is far better and costs a good bit less and the typical responses from every single apple owner/fanboy was "oh but it has aluminium casing and the software is sooooo much better than windows 7"

A top end Acer is still an Acer, sure the specs look great on paper. Much like my HP does compared to a MBP released at the same time, but they aren't the same thing.

A good analogue for this would be comparing an Aston Martin DB9 and a Nissan GTR. The GTR is faster and half the price, but that doesn't make the Aston Martin worse, just different.

Plus I am not talking about the hardware, talking about how open the software is and there is absolutely no way a mac with their OS is as open as a PC with windows 7 or whatever on.

How so?

Ok, maybe not the vast majority, however an awful lot of people who own their products are. I know plenty of people and my friends also know loads of people with apple products and pretty much every one of them isn't as knowledgeable as what we would be (they don't have a clue about CPU, RAM etc.) and they are snobbish and they still think the iphones etc. are much better than everything else no matter how many times we have tried to explain to them, show videos, images etc.

Think about it from their perspective, they don't know or care what CPU is faster and how much RAM they need. What they do care about is perceived speed and ease of use, so for them a Mac or iPhone is the best.

You're the one going on at them about how they made the wrong choice, or should have bought this that and the other. You're the one being smug about your purchase.

Yes, higher quality, fair enough, however that does not justify the massive extra cost on top of it (people will have different views on this as some people want their products to feel expensive, were as others will just want the best hardware there is and not compromise on that just because it is too "light" "made out of plastic" or whatever the lame reason is.

For some people it does, others not so much. I don't see why someone valuing build makes them stupid though.

Also I would much rather have something that is light, made out of plastic as at least it will survive drops, scratches etc. where as with the iphone 4 etc. you drop it, that expensive item becomes a battered ugly looking paper weight then.

Well it doesn't, no moreso than any other smart phone. You might smash the back but that's easily replaced, and the front is no more fragile than any other phone. They all use the same type of glass.

I've dropped mine a few times now, on concrete, pebbles etc. and and extent of the damage is a near invisible crack on the rear of the phone.

This is the one I like a lot, it covers the pricing part perfectly:

http://i51.tinypic.com/fny35j.jpg[/IM][/QUOTE]

No, it doesn't. Because the Mac pro is a workstation and they're comparing to a normal desktop PC. I will admit that their upgrades are too expensive, but overall they wouldn't cost much more than another workstation.

For example, a top end Dell workstation starts at nearly $3,000 and costs $130 to upgrade from 4 to 6gb of RAM. 2gb of ram does not cost $130, so why does it cost $130 to upgrade? ;)

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/9mvhJ.jpg

Should I never buy a Dell because a pro workstation designed for businesses costs a lot?

 

[Robbo]

You've said it all there though, the products aren't terrible (far from it) and I'm not sure how serious you are when saying you don't like the 'majority' of users. I know there are some tossers that push Apple stuff on everyone but I'd say they are a very small minority. That minority have built up a reputation that Apple users are elitist when they generally really aren't. I'd say Android users are getting far worse these days.

The Apple staff are a bit odd too but they soon calm down when you make it clear you have absolutely no intention of high-fiving them when you hand over large sums of money! Still, I'd rather they were bit over the top and friendly than depressed and useless.

Just because you don't like them shouldn't cause so much anger, you aren't doing your health any favours!

 

[Nexus18]

Firstly Raikiri, I am not going to discuss this too much more or go into another long post pointing out that your incorrect or whatever etc. as we are never going to agree with each other

Plus I am getting a headache from all this anger *hulk smash*

OJ



However

Nope, they aren't. Sorry, but you're wrong here.

If you can find a 27" IPS based all in one with the same spec for less money, an ultraportable with similar dimensions, build and performance to the MBA or a top end tablet that costs significantly less than the iPad 2 I wold agree with you. But you can't.

It has been done many times before on many websites/forums and I believe that someone in the previous apple bashing thread on this forum not so long ago that got locked after about 20 pages did exactly so, for a very similar spec iirc. and it came in at a good bit less.

Surely can you not go on OCUK, and add all the components to the basket and see for yourself?

Think about it from their perspective, they don't know or care what CPU is faster and how much RAM they need. What they do care about is perceived speed and ease of use, so for them a Mac or iPhone is the best.

You're the one going on at them about how they made the wrong choice, or should have bought this that and the other. You're the one being smug about your purchase.

No, trust me if you could hear these guys, you would even admit it yourself that they are snobby, stupid, they still even think that the components used are higher quality than others much more top end stuff. They treat is like a fashion item. Plus we weren't going onto them, as they were the ones going on to us, saying stupid xxxx like "well you should have got an iphone", "if you don't have an iphone, you don't have an iphone"

Plus I would hardly be smug about my amazing Samsung galaxy spica

However my PC I would be, reason because it is damn good for what I need it for (i5 750, 4850 512MB, 4GB RAM for mainly gaming) and the cost at which I got all the components etc. where as with their macs etc. can they run any games? (no apart from a few that are supported) and even if they are supported they can't run at max settings smoothly yet it cost them a fortune (a xxxx load more than whta my custom build PC did) and they thought they were getting the best there was for what they needed it for (games as well)

For some people it does, others not so much. I don't see why someone valuing build makes them stupid though.

Emm, how about when all the amazing features that a certain mobile e.g. GS 2 has over the iphone 4 and the only reason they don't want the GS 2 is due to it being light and made out of plastic yet it has a xxxx load of advantages over the iphone 4 for a far cheaper price?

Well it doesn't, no moreso than any other smart phone. You might smash the back but that's easily replaced, and the front is no more fragile than any other phone. They all use the same type of glass.

I've dropped mine a few times now, on concrete, pebbles etc. and and extent of the damage is a near invisible crack on the rear of the phone.

I have to completely disagree with you on that, have you seen the videos of the galaxy S, where a guy drops it in a bag of nails, knifes etc. then drops it from like his chest to concrete with no cases on and the mobile still looks pretty brand new and there is virtually no scratches, dents at all, only a few minor ones on the back and the actual mobile was still working perfectly.

Would an iphone 4 survive that?

Wonder why he hasn't actually done a video for it.

Maybe too expensive

Did you have casing or a bumper or something on, as everyone that I know who has had an iphone or product of apple and have dropped it on concrete have broken the mobile etc. completely e.g. iphone 4, the glass was shattered and had big scratches and a lovely very visible dent and scrapes on the casing.

So you must have been very lucky dropping it and the ground hit it at a certain point.


@Robbo

Only the users that are snobbish, idiots, bigggg fanboys etc.

Same goes to nvidia and some other companies


Tell me about it!

This nice bar of milka chocolate with some M&S chocolate swiss roll will do more harm

EDIT:

oh btw, raikiri I mean custom build PCs, not full desktop ones by dell etc. as they are just as bad for pricing.

 

[Raikiri]

EDIT:

oh btw, raikiri I mean custom build PCs, not full desktop ones by dell etc. as they are just as bad for pricing.

You can't custom build an all in one, so you can't compare it to an iMac, as for the Mac Pro:

Not that much cheaper, with comparable hardware...

 

[Boge]

Gosh.

Dare I admit to actually liking some apple products?

Until I got an iphone I always had an ipod for music. Then the iphone came along and all was well, well apart from the fact that as an actual phone, it was pretty crap. So I get an SGS2 and it's a great phone and is good for the odd bit of gaming but it's rubbish at music. So what to do? Flog the iphone on Ebay and buy an ipad2? Yup. And it's bloomin brilliant

Loaded up the Sky Go app and never missed a wicket on the cricket last week (took some doing!) I could take it everywhere - on the bog, at the back door having a smoke, in the kitchen, even in the bathroom. Brilliant. And the picture quality is just superb.

I thought about about getting a Samsung Tab but frankly I'm getting tired of android and their ads with everything experience and you can't actually get an android app for Sky on the go yet anyway.

In another dimension the PC still rules, obviously, because you can't actually build your own mac , but as far as music and general multimedia goes? Apple all the way here.