Newell: We have to convince EA to come back

I will continue to buy games I love from where ever I have to, it seems crazy to stop myself from enjoying a game because of where I have to download it from.

The Steam lovers are getting a little OTT on various forums, I mean I love Steam but I would never not buy BF3 or SWTOR because they aren't on the platform.
 
gropingmantis said:
Thats what we don't want. The great thing about Steam is that is supports so many publishers (Lets be honest if it only had Valve games it would be pretty ****) We dont want/need Origin and Turnip Manager and Ubi's GarlicFrogLegs downloader et al.
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But that’s what your going to get if Valve want more than the other developers consider to be fair. Initially I thought the whole DLC/Content rubbish was, like someone said a smokescreen but with Nadeo and Trackmania 2 citing the exact same issue Its obvious that it wasn’t.

Its likely that the only reason its not a bigger issue right now is that other publishers haven’t got games with potential “in game” DLC on the cards
 
LOAM said:
But that’s what your going to get if Valve want more than the other developers consider to be fair. Initially I thought the whole DLC/Content rubbish was, like someone said a smokescreen but with Nadeo and Trackmania 2 citing the exact same issue Its obvious that it wasn’t.

Its likely that the only reason its not a bigger issue right now is that other publishers haven’t got games with potential “in game” DLC on the cards
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GFWL. You can't explain that. /Bill O'reilly
 
LOAM said:
Its no different to Steam was when it was first released. Granted it is pants but so was steam back then. Give it a couple of years and you’ll all be saying the same thing, "I love it, its the only thing I will ever use" when Activision Turnip Manager is released
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Unless it turns out like EA Download Manager, crap for years.
 
LOAM said:
One of the following;

1. MS clearly don’t care
2. MS are less greedy than others
3. MS are so busy counting their money haven’t even realised Valves T&C have changed
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Then Valve clearly dont give a **** about people breaking their T&Cs so you can hardly have a go at Valve for having "draconian" T&Cs if they let MS get away with it.
EA know this but still are exploiting it to their own end.
 
LOL at people who actually think EA are any good for PC gaming.

That is all. I dont love steam at all, but I definitely dislike EA and wont be supporting any of the garbage they release, nor origins.

Im fed up of arguing why though and its already been done hundreds of time, but in summary EA are the cancer of the video game industry.
 
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LOAM said:
Maybe Valve are enforcing it for some and not for others. Explain Nadeo’s exact same stance.

http://forum.maniaplanet.com/viewtopic.php?p=44341#p44341
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Because Nadeo are trying to do the same thing with Maniaplanet as EA are with Origin. I had to re-read an article on this because they said there would be no boxed version but also no Steam version which seemed counter intuituve to me. Maniaplanet is not just some GFWL style marketplace its like a whole new downloader and store like Steam and Origin.

THAT is why.

Edit: Also did you actually bother to read the post. It mentions nothing of T&Cs they infact cite this as the reason:
But while it presented good advantages, it is always a risk linked to an unknown future of the company, on a technical aspect of things or a business one.
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badcompany said:
Got a revolutional idea here :

How about releasing a full game and not holding back dlc to milk us paying customers?
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I think the only DLC I've paid for was the 2 for Fallout: NV and that was in the steam sale when I got the Fallout: NV and the 2 packs.

I just point blank refuse to buy DLC especially Day-1 DLC. :mad:
 
gropingmantis said:
Edit: Also did you actually bother to read the post. It mentions nothing of T&Cs they infact cite this as the reason:
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Did you ?

The right solution would be for Steam to "sell" only the integration in the library, corresponding to the effective revenu they would like from it. They are able to sell lot of games at very low price, so it may means that it could be a reasonnable price, even if it is always a balance of everything that defines a price policy.

So, if you really want it on Steam, I can suggest to wait of either see a change in their policy, so you can feel secure to buy it outside of it today or to wait to see if we go on it and all I can say to help is that if it happens, it is very likely to be next year.
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LOAM said:
Did you ?
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Sorry but I understand that to mean that Nadeo want Steam to sell Maniaplanet as a platform rather than each game individualy. Evidently there is some sort of stats based gubbins that they want to use but obviously that would be too difficult to code when each game is sold separately via Steam. Either way this is NOT the same complaint as EA. At all.
 
Think a lot of people are forgetting something very, very important!?!?!

Valve continues to support the modding of PC titles using hammer and generally
encouraging modding of their games to add longevity, community etc...

EA don't want that from their games, they want you to buy a new version each year and charge lots of money for DLC that should have been there in the first place, ala DA2.

That's not an opinion, just fact....
 
gropingmantis said:
Sorry but I understand that to mean that Nadeo want Steam to sell Maniaplanet as a platform rather than each game individualy. Evidently there is some sort of stats based gubbins that they want to use but obviously that would be too difficult to code when each game is sold separately via Steam. Either way this is NOT the same complaint as EA. At all.
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It’s a weird issue granted, ManiaPlanet seems to be like a top layer of which the many games sort of plug into it, the games become DLC to ManiaPlanet and would appear to be purchased from within MP and you couldn’t buy them outside of steam (from a shop for example) and then use them from within ManiaPlanet, you would have to buy them again from steam.

The only reason I can see that GFWL gets away with it, is that it seems to be micro transactions rather than what could be deemed DLC.

Don’t get me wrong though, I really like steam, I would much prefer BF3 was on there but its not.
 
LOAM said:
It’s a weird issue granted, ManiaPlanet seems to be like a top layer of which the many games sort of plug into it, the games become DLC to ManiaPlanet and would appear to be purchased from within MP and you couldn’t buy them outside of steam (from a shop for example) and then use them from within ManiaPlanet, you would have to buy them again from steam.

The only reason I can see that GFWL gets away with it, is that it seems to be micro transactions rather than what could be deemed DLC.

Don’t get me wrong though, I really like steam, I would much prefer BF3 was on there but its not.
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Agreed on the GFWL point. Using MS points could well be how they get away with it. TBH I would not be comfortable putting my CC details directly into an ingame marketplace but Steam has measures in place to account for these things. I mean look at all the F2P games. They get away with it.
 
Gimpymoo said:
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Get a clue then come back.

Why have they **** on all the E.A sports titles for soo long on the PC?

Why is their no Fight Night on the PC?

E.A support themselves, you will see that Valve have done more for PC gaming than E.A ever have done.
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I Never said don't support valve though did I?
Valve have done more for PC gaming than EA have yes I would agree with that, but did you stop to notice what kind of games Valve mostly make?
Thats right FPS games.
You should be thankful EA even releases sports games on PC at all, because they are one of the few companies that do.

So stop and think before you accuse others of being clueless.
 
On the point of this being "Like Steam first was" well no, it's not - not really.

There was no DD platform like Steam at the time. We had some crappy download managers and some digital distribution that was equally naff (read Fileplanet) but it was merely a digital repository for CD/DVD media.

Steam had lots and lots of problems but it was all new in what it was trying to achieve, it's matured into the platform it is today and most people have reaped the benefits.

Origin is not new, it's coming into a sector that already has a VERY well established and mature player. They know this, they are playing their target market with a huge title. At the end of the day everyone benefits if EA complies with Steam T and C, even if it means a modified business model JUST for the Steam copies. EA are not doing this because they think they can leverage BF3 and some other titles to guarantee all the sales they would have made through Steam, outside of Steam. This will not happen. This is the first time in a VERY VERY long time (Outside of Blizzard titles) I will be buying a retail boxed copy of a title and there is only 1 reason why in the case of BF3 - I am not taking the risk with Origin. If I have to use it with a retail boxed copy then fine, but right now I am limiting my exposure to risk by avoiding it, at least from the start/acquisition stage.

Origin has a lot of work to do before it can 'compete' with Steam and it likely never will. It's going to be EAs DD/Social Gaming service and is likely going to be a test bed with mostly their titles only, for now. If they think they can reach out and offer a Steam like service they may well try - at which point it might compete.

On the subject of origin looking to compete it is almost like Google+ Vs Facebook. How many will migrate to Google+ from Facebook? Not a very large %. It might well happen, but trust me when I say it's going to take a huge amount of work from Google or a catastrophically huge messup from Facebook.

Matter of opinion - I will browse Steam like I would a shop, for titles. I have bought titles through Steam I would have NEVER of known about otherwise. If I have to use Origin for EA titles I want to play, that is all I will use Origin for. That's it - nothing else.
 
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Sin_Chase said:
Matter of opinion - I will browse Steam like I would a shop, for titles. I have bought titles through Steam I would have NEVER of known about otherwise. If I have to use Origin for EA titles I want to play, that is all I will use Origin for. That's it - nothing else.
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Pretty much sums up how I feel about it. I will use origin only for the EA titles that I want to play.
Steam will be used more, because of how many titles it has and the awesome sales it has. Regardless of how good origin may turn out to be it won't be able to compete with the Steam week long sales.
 
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