*Throws toys out of the pram*

[EniGmA1981]

the judges always seem to side with apple for some reason....

Probably cos they've all got iphone4's and ipad2's lol

I've got nothing 'against' apple products - I'll never buy any as I don't like the hype surrounding them to be honest, it's all a bit too much 'wow! look what we made!!' and I don't buy into that really...

I'd rather have a phone/computer that I can do what I want with, no matter how technical it is - even win7 UAC drives me mental, so having software locked down like iOS would turn me into a dribbling, window-licking mess!

But, as ever, it's just a case of different strokes for different folks isn't it - some love it, some hate it, some are indifferent... just the way it goes really - it's the same as different people buying samsung/htc/nokia phones, it's all down to preference.

Apple just doesn't happen to be MY preference!

 

[exhashdotdot]

ITT: People learn that corporations are evil

 

[AndyCr15]

You mean pretty much the same price as comparable kit?iPad vs. Samsung 10.1 - Fiver more, meh.

iPhone 4 - Same price as any other companies top end phone.

Is that the original iPad? The 10.1 is far better tech than the original!

So a year old iPhone 4 is the same price as current top end phones, which are much better tech?

Obviously we're never going to agree, we're unlikely to even accept the other sides point. I do accept that when the iP4 first came out, it was the first iPhone that wasn't outdated tech on release, you might even argue the screen was better than others due to more pixels (I probably wouldn't agree, but you would have a case for it) but the iPhone 3 and 3GS were very poor tech, charging a premium price.

 

[Sunbed]

I have a bit of a love/hate relationship with Apple.

I love them because they spark of a competitive market for new devices (good smartphones, tablets etc).

I hate them because they can easily suck people into their perfect little walled-garden. Where their users only buy things from the Apple store, and are most of the time, clueless.

I preferred Apple when they were a niche alternative, be it with phones or PCs. I don't like them when they are so mainstream and can dominate the market the way they do.

 

[Wicksta]

Gosh.

Dare I admit to actually liking some apple products?

Until I got an iphone I always had an ipod for music. Then the iphone came along and all was well, well apart from the fact that as an actual phone, it was pretty crap. So I get an SGS2 and it's a great phone and is good for the odd bit of gaming but it's rubbish at music. So what to do? Flog the iphone on Ebay and buy an ipad2? Yup. And it's bloomin brilliant

Loaded up the Sky Go app and never missed a wicket on the cricket last week (took some doing!) I could take it everywhere - on the bog, at the back door having a smoke, in the kitchen, even in the bathroom. Brilliant. And the picture quality is just superb.

I thought about about getting a Samsung Tab but frankly I'm getting tired of android and their ads with everything experience and you can't actually get an android app for Sky on the go yet anyway.

In another dimension the PC still rules, obviously, because you can't actually build your own mac , but as far as music and general multimedia goes? Apple all the way here.

I already had a Slingbox connected to my Sky HD, which works brilliantly with my PC and Android devices, it's also not restricted to the UK. No adverts, and I can view ALL my channels as well as all my recorded items. Also there is next to no delay, I can't STAND delays on sports, if you are using F1 live timing it is useless with Sky Go, also because Go is about 30 seconds behind you can't talk to anyone online who is watching the same sport of you on TV without you getting "GOAAALL" or "OUT!!!" 30 seconds before you see it.

I think the problem with most Apple fans is that they aren't very technical/can't be bothered which is fair enough, but don't think there are not as good if not better ways to do most things on Android.

 

[Raikiri]

Is that the original iPad? The 10.1 is far better tech than the original!

No, the iPad 2. Obviously.

So a year old iPhone 4 is the same price as current top end phones, which are much better tech?

And when it first came out it was the same price whilst being better tech or at the very least, as good as) than what other companies offered. Swings and roundabouts.

 

[AndyCr15]

No, the iPad 2. Obviously.

No, not really.

And when it first came out it was the same price whilst being better tech or at the very least, as good as) than what other companies offered. Swings and roundabouts.

And this is where opinion comes in. Also, there is no way it would be found cheaper than other, possibly better spec'd devices. Even now it's still £510 from Apple (the 16gb version)

Anyway, as we all know, we're not going to persuade each other, we both think we're right, so maybe we just move on

 

[Boge]

I think the problem with most Apple fans is that they aren't very technical/can't be bothered which is fair enough, but don't think there are not as good if not better ways to do most things on Android.

All hail the King of Technology.

lol.

 

[mrk]

20 years?

Dude, you're ancient! I bet they had punch card computers back then

 

[Nexus18]

You can't custom build an all in one, so you can't compare it to an iMac, as for the Mac Pro:

Not that much cheaper, with comparable hardware...

Forgot to reply to this.

Firstly yes, you can't.

And secondly this is why PC is better, you can choose the components/peripherals that you WANT, plus you can get a better spec than that for cheaper and some of the stuff you have chosen, there is really no need to spend that much on certain things and also you can get a few better things for the same price/cheaper or better.

Is there no other motherboard cheaper than that? That will do the job just as well but not cost a xxxx load?

Do you really need a case that costs that much, when there are plenty of other choices that look far better and are just as good at cooling/noise if not better and for a far cheaper price?

Do you really need that CPU cooler, can you not get one for around £40-50 instead that is just as good?

As for the hard drive I would rather pay the tiny amount extra for western digital, or get a smaller one (1TB) for much better performance and price.

From the money you have saved on all the above, you can then get a much better GPU.

Pay that bit extra for the crucial 12GB of RAM if you want?

Does it have to be wireless peripherals? Why not better wired keyboard and mouse?

e.g. an MX518 from somewhere for less than £23 and a good wired gaming keyboard for around the same price (loads of choice)?

 

[Raikiri]

No, not really.

Why would I be talking about the old one that isn't sold any more?

And this is where opinion comes in.

It isn't really opinion though. It was at least as good as any of the current phones on release, had one of the best cameras, highest resolution screen and slimmest design.

Also, there is no way it would be found cheaper than other, possibly better spec'd devices. Even now it's still £510 from Apple (the 16gb version)

I never said it was cheaper.

 

[Raikiri]

Forgot to reply to this.

Firstly yes, you can't.

And secondly this is why PC is better, you can choose the components/peripherals that you WANT, plus you can get a better spec than that for cheaper and some of the stuff you have chosen, there is really no need to spend that much on certain things and also you can get a few better things for the same price/cheaper or better.

Which is great. But it's comparing apples to oranges (if you'll excuse the pun). I chose equivilent hardware.

Is there no other motherboard cheaper than that? That will do the job just as well but not cost a xxxx load?

Maybe, but not on OcUK.

Do you really need a case that costs that much, when there are plenty of other choices that look far better and are just as good at cooling/noise if not better and for a far cheaper price?

Yes, I did. I chose a high end all allu case that would fit an e-ATX motherboard. A cheap plastic case is not equivilent to the Mac Pro case.

Do you really need that CPU cooler, can you not get one for around £40-50 instead that is just as good?

Maybe, but you may stuggle to fit two large coolers on a single motherboard, hence the water coolers.

As for the hard drive I would rather pay the tiny amount extra for western digital, or get a smaller one (1TB) for much better performance and price.

Ok, if you want. Again I was just picking comparable hardware.

From the money you have saved on all the above, you can then get a much better GPU.

Comparable hardware. This is a workstation not a gaming machine.

Pay that bit extra for the crucial 12GB of RAM if you want?

The Mac Pro came with 6gb as standard, the Dell 4. Were I being picky I would use much more expensive registered RAM as they do.

Does it have to be wireless peripherals? Why not better wired keyboard and mouse?

Because you get wireless peripherals with the Mac Pro.


Edit: Reply is not edit, sorry for the double post

 

[Nexus18]

Which is great. But it's comparing apples to oranges (if you'll excuse the pun). I chose equivilent hardware.

No problem

Fair enough, but that is what my point is, you have choice, you can get better hardware for the same, cheaper or only a bit more expensive.

Yes, I did. I chose a high end all allu case that would fit an e-ATX motherboard. A cheap plastic case is not equivilent to the Mac Pro case.

Well personally the case wouldn't be my first choice, don't like the looks of it one bit, I am sure that there would be a nicer aluminium case (than that li lian one) somewhere for a lot cheaper that would fit the motherboard. Also IMO, most of the plastic cases are the far nicer looking ones than the aluminium cases and also feel like higher quality to me.

Maybe, but you may stuggle to fit two large coolers on a single motherboard, hence the water coolers.

True, but as said, there must be cheaper coolers that would fit or you could use the corsair H50, you can get it somewhere else for a good bit cheaper.

Comparable hardware. This is a workstation not a gaming machine.

Then is really much point in spending this much on a PC/mac etc. if your just going to use it for a few word documents, web browsing etc.? Unless you want it for encoding etc.

Plus having a good GPU also helps improve the speed through out the system I have noticed especially for GPU acceleration in web browsers etc.

The Mac Pro came with 6gb as standard, the Dell 4. Were I being picky I would use much more expensive registered RAM as they do.

Yes I know that, however you have the choice of having an extra 6GB of RAM for very little extra (due to this time for excellent pricing on all memory) and crucial is a very good memory brand, maybe not as well regarded as corsair and kingston but I would much rather have the extra 6GB, granted it would be useless for gaming etc. however very handy if you multi task with a lot of programs open, photoshop, encoding etc.

Because you get wireless peripherals with the Mac Pro.

Again, you have choice , but if you want, you could probably get a logitech wireless set for the same price or a bit dearer which would be better.

 

[Robbo]

Hardware performance isn't everything, and price isn't everything. Just drop it now for goodness sake

 

[Nexus18]

 

[Raikiri]

I know what you're saying and for most people I agree, you are far better off building a PC yourself.

But the Dell I posted, the Mac Pro etc. aren't for most people. They're designed for businesses that need complete support and near 100% reliability.

You say they're overpriced or lack choice because you're looking at them in the wrong context.

It's the same for the iMac, if you compare it to all in one systems it's actually very competitively priced.

 

[Raikiri]

Hardware performance isn't everything, and price isn't everything. Just drop it now for goodness sake

In keeping with the Ace theme:

Let's do all the things you wanna do

 

[Robbo]

Jim Carrey is awesome.

 

[Nexus18]

LOL

Awesome films!

Far too many good scenes to list, but this is one of my favourites:

 

[NuclearWinter]

Obviously we're never going to agree, we're unlikely to even accept the other sides point. I do accept that when the iP4 first came out, it was the first iPhone that wasn't outdated tech on release, you might even argue the screen was better than others due to more pixels (I probably wouldn't agree, but you would have a case for it) but the iPhone 3 and 3GS were very poor tech, charging a premium price.

In what way could the 3GS be considered "very poor tech" back in June 2009? That's the same time that the HTC Hero, Samsung i7500 and N97 came out.