I think this is part of what people aren't getting.
It's quite irrelevant that their attempt at inciting riots didn't work, they still did it and had the intention to riot if people joined them.
Rioter sentences are "too harsh" say human rights morons
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I think this is part of what people aren't getting.
It's quite irrelevant that their attempt at inciting riots didn't work, they still did it and had the intention to riot if people joined them.
not if it was rolled into a charge with public disorder, rioting and violent conduct. I think we are not seeing the full picture here. There were lots of aggravating circumstances that could lead the sentences to appear disproportionate if you don't actually have the full details.
I've just read a document from The Recorder of Manchester, sentencing remarks.
Makes some interesting reading, 8+ years for inciting riots, 1-3 years for assaults on emergency personnel (without a weapon and without causing serious harm).
Looks like he has the right idea.
Makes some interesting reading, 8+ years for inciting riots, 1-3 years for assaults on emergency personnel (without a weapon and without causing serious harm).
Looks like he has the right idea.
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So police were wrong to proactively monitor social networks in times of large scale civil disorder ?
What rules have changed ?
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Actually there's not a jot of evidence from anywhere in the world that capital punishment, or indeed any other punishment, acts as any kind of deterrent at all.
unfortunately criminals think in terms of 'can I get away with it or not', rather than 'what happens to me if I'm caught' when considering whether to do a crime. Just one of those odd things.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-11736785
Is that not the a very similar thing... Should the facebook 2 not have used a similar argument that it was a joke?
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None. It was just never right.
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In what way Pb ?
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In the way that the Internet was meant to be a place you could go that would be free of laws, since any action there has very few consequences in the real world. Perhaps that's changed over recent years, but it doesn't mean that it's suddenly fine to realize big brother. I mean, monitoring Facebook messages and BBM? Does that not strike you as a huge invasion of privacy? As i see it the Internet is the modern day equivalent of Venetian masked balls.
As for those who created events with intent to incite riot, i think the fact that they were publicly available changes things somewhat, but the fact that they actually did have no consequences in the real world should be taken into account - being an idiot on the internet isn't really the same as being an idiot in real life.
Perhaps that boils down to the even larger problem of pre-crime...
As for those who created events with intent to incite riot, i think the fact that they were publicly available changes things somewhat, but the fact that they actually did have no consequences in the real world should be taken into account - being an idiot on the internet isn't really the same as being an idiot in real life.
Perhaps that boils down to the even larger problem of pre-crime...
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It was?
I thought it was meant to be a place the US Military could co-ordinate things more easily.
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Facebook etc should not be used to organise trashing shops and looting.
Akso, police cannot randomly read peoples' accounts. Authorisation must be sought and RIPA adhered to.
The problem here is not the laws, but your somewhat insane view of the internet that has no bearing on history, technology, the facts, reality or indeed of anything that would be recognisable to anyone who knew the history of internet technologies...
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But on the flip side, if they post it on unprotected public forums or announcment systems such as twitter... The police don't need to read their accounts, they just search for keywords and expose morons easily
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They'll never make Blofeld style criminals that's for sure.
Claiming they don't deserve these sentences does not make you intellectual or clever.
Locking someone up for writing stuff on Facebook. Yes you can draw the line here. You'd expect this sort of thing in China!
Making an example out of someone who genuinely smashed up a shop or stole something, **** their human rights.
Locking someone up for writing stuff on Facebook. Yes you can draw the line here. You'd expect this sort of thing in China!
Making an example out of someone who genuinely smashed up a shop or stole something, **** their human rights.
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Similarly emotion has no place in any judicial system.
Please explain how a person who was not involved in the rioting or looting but who accepted a pair of shorts given to them "genuinely smashed up a shop or stole something".
Just one of the examples people are talking about when they refer to unfairly harsh sentences (she was jailed for 5 months for handling stolen goods).