Nvidia unofficially, officially caught cheating in Crysis 2

Marine-RX179 · 18 Aug 2011 at 17:22

Final8y said:
I did read what you posted at #182 & it changes nothing to that fact that i agree with the reply at #174 that was in response to x173.

Whatever. You can believe Nvidia is responsible all you want, but I would stand by my opinion that the provided materials only suggest the possibility, not prove that Nvidia is responsible.

I got no problem at all with people having their own opinion, but this thread is trying to pass off an individual's opinion/assumption as fact, when the source material which he refers to didn't make that claim (it was only mentioned as one of few possible possibility). That is what I don't agree with. All this thread is doing is attempting to get as many people to agree to an assumption as possible, so whenever Crysis 2 is mentioned in the future, people will say "Nvidia crippled dx11 performance in Crysis 2, and it is a FACT"...which I doubt you would have any problem with.

Kribby2006 · 18 Aug 2011 at 17:24

Regardless of the way things have been implemented and the overuse of pointless tessellation, doesn't this game run pretty well on even mid range GFX cards/systems, using either AMD or Nvidia?

Not sure what the big issue is, I know the forum is for discussion, but it sounds like a load of jumping up and down about nothing from the usual suspects. Maybe it'll make the news at 10

An Exception · 18 Aug 2011 at 17:25

^^^
Sounds like your due a monitor upgrade...

Rroff · 18 Aug 2011 at 17:26

It does with "normal" settings, but DX11 Ultra settings hammer even fairly high end hardware.

Final8y · 18 Aug 2011 at 17:44

Marine-RX179 said:
Whatever. You can believe Nvidia is responsible all you want, but I would stand by my opinion that the provided materials only suggest the possibility, not prove that Nvidia is responsible.

I got no problem at all with people having their own opinion, but this thread is trying to pass off an individual's opinion/assumption as fact, when the source material which he refers to didn't make that claim (it was only mentioned as one of a few possible possibility). That is what I don't agree with. All this thread is doing is attempting to get as many people to agree to an assumption as possible, so whenever Crysis 2 is mentioned in the future, people will say "Nvidia crippled dx11 performance in Crysis 2, and it is a FACT"...which I doubt you would have any problem with.

My side of it is that they are both to blame.

NV paid for it & should have been overseeing what they have paid for, so even if it was because of Cryteck or some third party subcontracted like Rroff put forward which is feasible, its still comes down to hurting Cryteck's & NVs reputations for letting it go out that way and without the evidence to prove or disprove the exact reasons then people will pick what they think is the reasons, be it incompetence, deliberate, stupidity, complacency ect.. .

Kribby2006 · 18 Aug 2011 at 23:56

Ejizz said:
^^^
Sounds like your due a monitor upgrade...

Shame u cant answer the question without an ill informed and sarcastic comment. I was curious to know hence the question mark

I was uner the impression it wasnt as demanding as the first Crysis.

An Exception · 19 Aug 2011 at 00:01

Kribby2006 said:
Shame u cant answer the question without an ill informed and sarcastic comment. I was curious to know hence the question mark

I was uner the impression it wasnt as demanding as the first Crysis.

Shame you don't provide enough info for people to make an informed comment.

Edit:

Just checked a chart, a 470 also can't run the game smoothly even at 1080p, so yes, my original comment stands, if your running this game smoothly, your gaming on a low res monitor...

Kribby2006 · 19 Aug 2011 at 00:05

Rroff said:
It does with "normal" settings, but DX11 Ultra settings hammer even fairly high end hardware.

Ok thanks for answering my question.

Rroff · 19 Aug 2011 at 00:08

Check out this video -

hes also got another one on there somewhere with the DX11 ultra pack - showing even high end multi GPU cards dropping into the low 40s at 1080p - so even a high end single card is going to struggle.

Kribby2006 · 19 Aug 2011 at 00:09

Ejizz said:
Shame you don't provide enough info for people to make an informed comment.
So should my midrange GTX460 be able to run Crysis 2 DX11 on my Dell 3008, or even as low as 1080p

Whatever ever you say, "maybe you need a monitor upgrade" is sarcasm, end of story.

Roff gave an answer, which answers my question.

Kribby2006 · 19 Aug 2011 at 00:12

Ejizz said:
Shame you don't provide enough info for people to make an informed comment.

Edit:

Just checked a chart, a 470 also can't run the game smoothly even at 1080p, so yes, my original comment stands, if your running this game smoothly, your gaming on a low res monitor...

Sorry I really shouldn't answer, but 1 I didn't even say I had the game, 2 you dont know what monitor I have and 3 you dont know the res im running.

Just for the record, I dont have the game, hence why i was aksing, i should have known better.

Thanks.

An Exception · 19 Aug 2011 at 00:14

Kribby2006 said:
Whatever ever you say, "maybe you need a monitor upgrade" is sarcasm, end of story.

Roff gave an answer, which answers my question.

My 3008wfp does me fine thanks...

Sorry for what you perceived as sarcasm, I didn't realise you were actually asking a question, as the below comment seemed to indicate you had taken a position on the matter, and if you had already taken a position I assumed that you had looked into the situation at least a little before casting judgement.

Kribby2006 said:
Not sure what the big issue is, I know the forum is for discussion, but it sounds like a load of jumping up and down about nothing from the usual suspects. Maybe it'll make the news at 10

Kribby2006 · 19 Aug 2011 at 00:23

Didn't realsise I was asking a question?, I guess its not very clear when I say, "doesnt this game run ok on mid range hardware....?"

You could have just said no it doesnt, it runs like crap look at these figure etc etc, except we got "looks like you need a new monitor" followed by lots of guesswork with regard to my rig.

And with regard to my big issue comment, I stand by that , this related to everyone kicking off about the use of tessellation in a game, maybe its just me but I didn't think it was such a big deal.

Dont worry I wont say another word....

Kribby2006 · 19 Aug 2011 at 00:29

Ejizz said:
My 3008wfp does me fine thanks....

lol

An Exception · 19 Aug 2011 at 00:30

Kribby2006 said:
Didn't realsise I was asking a question?, I guess its not very clear when I say, "doesnt this game run ok on mid range hardware....?"

Due to the below comment, I assumed it was rhetorical.

Kribby2006 said:
Not sure what the big issue is, I know the forum is for discussion, but it sounds like a load of jumping up and down about nothing from the usual suspects. Maybe it'll make the news at 10

Kribby2006 said:
And with regard to my big issue comment, I stand by that , this related to everyone kicking off about the use of tessellation in a game, maybe its just me but I didn't think it was such a big deal.

Dont worry I wont say another word....

I'm not being sarcastic when I ask this, so please don't take it the wrong way, but did you actually read the article that the opening post linked to?

Kribby2006 · 19 Aug 2011 at 00:35

Nah its cool and yes I did read it, as I said maybe I shouldnt have said anything because as always I feel the threads get a little over the top.

Thanks for your info, goodnight

Krony · 19 Aug 2011 at 01:41

All these threads end up with is Nvidia and AMD bashing, there is nothing u can do about the tesselation in Crysis 2, there was a thread started in another forum i frequent on the exact same issue and that was maybe 2 months ago and all thaty ended up being the exact same thing as this thread, maybe they have tried to lay a bit of a dirty hand in the Nvidia v AMD preformance area, this isn't the first time either company has used dirty tricks and i am pretty certain it won't be the last, just live with it, if it's a game u really want to enjoy and play for a long while and u are not getting the fps u require then i am afraid its time for an upgrade, if ur current cards play every other game just fine and u don't really give a **** about this game then don't, it really is that simple.

Final8y · 19 Aug 2011 at 03:48

Krony said:
All these threads end up with is Nvidia and AMD bashing, there is nothing u can do about the tesselation in Crysis 2, there was a thread started in another forum i frequent on the exact same issue and that was maybe 2 months ago and all thaty ended up being the exact same thing as this thread, maybe they have tried to lay a bit of a dirty hand in the Nvidia v AMD preformance area, this isn't the first time either company has used dirty tricks and i am pretty certain it won't be the last, just live with it, if it's a game u really want to enjoy and play for a long while and u are not getting the fps u require then i am afraid its time for an upgrade, if ur current cards play every other game just fine and u don't really give a **** about this game then don't, it really is that simple.

If you want to turn a blind eye just because people have done dirty tricks before then fine, but don't expect others to do so because turning a bind eye is a green light for more & all to do the same because no one said a word or complained.

IF there is any chance of something being put right then its done by people speaking out & not by burying heads in the sand with a we are powerless mentality.
Crysis 2 would have been even worse if it wasn't for the people speaking out about the lack of gfx options when the game first came out.

DeadSpace 2 likely would not of had more key remapping options if it was not for gareth170 on this forum speaking out.

Batman AA would have likely not had the in game AA for ATI enabled in the GOTY edition if it wasn't for people speaking out.

The cases are endless & wrong doing is rarely ever put right if left to its own devices.

I don't pretend to know all the capabilities of the NV control panel, but its been mention here a few times already that with ATI we can turn down the tessellation so in fact we can do something about the tessellation in Crysis 2.

Kribby2006 · 19 Aug 2011 at 08:10

Ejizz said:
Dear Kribby2006, Please find below a message from Ejizz, please note any reply to this member should be addressed to * removed*Sorry mate, but I don't usually expect people to cast conclusions when they don't even have the faintest clue what they are talking about. After all Google is only a short click away. So sorry if we got off on the wrong foot.
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Ok thanks for this, ill bear google in mind going forward.

LeJosh · 19 Aug 2011 at 08:14

Take that stick out of your behind kribby.