How do people deal with their inevitable death?

Castiel said:
Then he is wrong. Not everyone shares his view that the world in which they personally live is a wonderful, amazing place. He is judging it from his perspective and not theirs.
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I guess what you have to understand is that the man is a scientist - the universe isn't defined by opinions.

Just because you're unlucky during your lifetime doesn't mean you haven't been astronomically lucky to be born in the first place.
 
sigma said:
I'm sure I remember Dr Mikau (spelling? the futurist guy) saying that humans could live for 150 years+.
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Whatever, I was referring to the potential lifespans of humans without enhancement, it has always been around the same, it is only average age that has increased.
 
PermaBanned said:
I guess what you have to understand is that the man is a scientist - the universe isn't defined by opinions.
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I have no idea what that has to do with anything. I understand the man is a scientist, that doesn't make his opinion on what the Congolese girl whose short life involved being raped from the age of 2, beaten daily, starved within an inch of her life and then tortured and mutilated before being dismembered and partially eaten just to satisfy the hatreds and wants of tribal warlords believes is right.

I wonder if she had the same opinion on the world she lived in as that of Richard Dawkins......
 
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Castiel said:
I have no idea what that has to do with anything. I understand the man is a scientist, that doesn't make his opinion on what the Congolese girl whose short life involved being raped from the age of 2, beaten daily, starved within an inch of her life and then tortured and mutilated before being dismembered and partially eaten.

I wonder if she had the same opinion on the world she lived in as that of Richard Dawkins......
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Clearly not because she hasn't had access to the same information that he has. Regardless, opinion!=fact.

And you missed the last part of my post? No matter how unlucky you are during your lifetime you still have to be amazingly lucky to be born in the first place. That i believe is part of what he was getting at.
 
PermaBanned said:
Clearly not because she hasn't had access to the same information that he has. Regardless, opinion!=fact.

And you missed the last part of my post? No matter how unlucky you are during your lifetime you still have to be amazingly lucky to be born in the first place. That i believe is part of what he was getting at.
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That depends entirely on your perspective, beliefs and experience. Dawkins is making an observation based on his perspective, experience and beliefs, nothing more.
 
Castiel said:
or astronomically unlucky depending upon your perspective. Which is the point I am trying to make.
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Can that ever be the case? No matter what hardships one endures during the course of their life, not a single human being can say that they have never had one positive experience. One more than all those who will never be born. Or rather, to know what you have lost you must know what you could have had.
 
PermaBanned said:
Can that ever be the case? No matter what hardships one endures during the course of their life, not a single human being can say that they have never had one positive experience. One more than all those who will never be born. Or rather, to know what you have lost you must know what you could have had.
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It makes no difference to the individual if they believe they would have been better of not being born or being dead, like I said it depends entirely on the perspectives, beliefs and experiences of the individual as to whether they consider themselves lucky to have lived.

You are making assumptions based on your perspectives and beliefs. Not everyone shares them. Personally I am like Richard Dawkins in that I believe that I am lucky to be alive and to experience life, but unlike your interpretation of what Dawkins is stating, I do not assume that everyone shares that belief.

Clearly some do not otherwise they would not make the conscious choice to die.

Anyway we will have to agree to disagree as I am going to bed. Have a good night.:)
 
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my brothers girlfriend has a brain tumour and was told she probably wouldnt live long enough to see last christmas yet some how shes still struggling on and doing the stuff she wants to which is just down to earth stuff like holidays to blackpool , ice hockey games etc

she seems to be coping really well apart from she can have moments where she will collapse etc and dizzy spells.


the worst ive came to dealing with death was in a dream where i had been stabbed in the stomach and the pain was immense, i just thought im going to die and then i woke up it was crazy since then ive honestly not worried about dieing
 
philtorrens said:
As a Christian im not afraid of dying. There's no need to fear death.
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On the contrary. You choose to believe in the afterlife because it gives you comfort and helps combat your fear. I think a lot of christians would become unstable wrecks if they could no longer believe in god/the afterlife and were made to face their inevitable, uneventful, meaningless end which holds nothing for them beyond it.
 
Deific said:
On the contrary. You choose to believe in the afterlife because it gives you comfort and helps combat your fear. I think a lot of christians would become unstable wrecks if they could no longer believe in god/the afterlife and were made to face their inevitable, uneventful, meaningless end which holds nothing for them beyond it.
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So we are all biological machines without a soul who just some day 'die'? Course not!
 
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