Poll: Rebels rolling into Tripoli

Were we right to get involved in Libya?

  • Yes

    Votes: 291 49.7%
  • No

    Votes: 294 50.3%

  • Total voters
    585
Have you noticed the pillars in the background? Compare the pictures properly before you go off and decide to ignore the information I posted. You'll notice more than one difference I'm sure!

What happened to the glass and the reflections? Warfare, sure, but why can't we see into the building?

Why is the USA and the flag missing from the plane?

I have a family friend who visited Libya this year and she flagged this up for me. She said that there is no way that is Bab Al Aziziya, and she managed to see Gadaffi address a crowd there before.

You're going tohave to point them out as they are identical, apart from the statue being faded. The flags are on the plane and the pillars behind are the same, even down to the wear marks. What should be open is open. The only difference is the removal of the sign and the addition of the banner to the right and the "star thing " to the left.

So yes you need to point out these differences.
 
Russia today was saying that the UN mandate runs out next month, so they needed to act quickly... perhaps staging a coup will buy us more time?

UN resolutions don't "run out". If you read the text of the resolution there is no mention of a time limit at all.
 
lol your serious? i dont feel sympathy for him or his family its all the normal people who suported him because they had to that i feel for the rebels have already been known to have started assassinating some police officers, no doubt any state television workers are gonna get it to and pretty much anyone else the rebels can point a finger at as beeing part of the gaddafi leadership.

they can stick gaddafis head on a pike for all i care hes had it good for ages, its sad though cos in some ways libya was one of the better run african countries mugabe etc just get totally ignored and their people are far worse off than most libyans who had running water , education etc

we have no garuntees libya is going to be any better than it was really

Well, I'm half serious. At least Libya used to be reasonably stable and, as you say, was one of the better run African countries. This civil war will probably do a lot of long term damage to the country, and I can't imagine that it will be better off than it would have been under Gaddafi control for many decades to come.

Even if the way he kept order in the country might have been a bit brutal, at least it worked. I don't actually know what proportion of people actually supported Gaddafi, but I don't like the way the rebels have been portrayed as the peoples choice, when I haven't heard any evidence for this (sure, I wouldn't be surprised if 90% of the population do want Gaddafi violently overthrown, but there seems to be a lot of assumption and bias in the media reports I hear).

What seems 'unfair' (yes, maybe in a slightly tongue in cheek way) is that Gaddafi and his regime is being persecuted and toppled by our government, when there doesn't seem to be a clear case that Libya will be improved as a result.

In the days before the military action, it seemed to me that Gaddafi would either have to use force (which he tried to do, apparently, and was subsequently bombed for), or watch the country disintegrate into rebel control and turmoil. So I see him as doing what he had to do to keep the country under control, which NATO then interfered in. So, the only course of action he could have taken would have been to try and slowly cede control to some democratic process, after which he'd probably have been hanged for something anyway. There wasn't really anything else he could have done imo. I doubt a democratic process by that method would have been better anyway, it might even have kept the brutality, but added ineffective governance into the mix as well. I haven't heard anyone actually put forward a reasoned argument as to why some democracy gained in that way, or why some violent overthrow with a possibly uncertain outcome would be favourable to Gaddafi control. If there is such an argument, it seems then very poor form on the part of the media not to publicise it, and to instead show us loads of pictures of rebel hooligans firing heavy machine guns at posters of Gaddafi and making big holes in buildings for no reason.
 
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UN resolutions don't "run out". If you read the text of the resolution there is no mention of a time limit at all.

but NATO's involvement in Libya will unless they can get another extension:

1 June 2011: Nato has extended its mission in Libya by a further 90 days.

How can we justify that we're doing a good job of enforcing what the UN resolution mandated? it was meant to be about protecting civilians not another coup d'état with little regard for 'collateral damage'.
 
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Its good to know we have an insider in the situation room.

is this all you can do? come out with sarcastic comments and snyde remarks? he doesnt need to be an insider hes watching live video footage....
 
is this all you can do? come out with sarcastic comments and snyde remarks? he doesnt need to be an insider hes watching live video footage....

I didn't realise internet video footage gave an insight into intentions.

Is that all you can do? Constantly rail against the government that keeps you safe, whilst you make badly typed post after badly typed post in support of dictators?
 
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Wheres Gaddafi?

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[TW]Fox;19912329 said:
I didn't realise internet video footage gave an insight into intentions.

Is that all you can do? Constantly rail against the government that keeps you safe, whilst you make badly typed post after badly typed post in support of dictators?
the collateral damage is clear even if its not directly from nato they are the ones allowing the rebels to lot and pillage , burn cars etc...

next you will be telling us the assassinations of police offcers , tv workers and anyone else seen to have been with gaddafi arent happening even though skynews etc have talked about the reports of it happening

Wheres Gaddafi?
slightly up from the bottom in the centre of the picture
 
Putin talking sense, no wonder he won't leave power he probably thinks the US will install a democratically elected puppet regime. :p

 
Yeah, putin's right whatever was going on in libya between the rebels/government no other foreign country had the right to intervene and blatantly support one side.

But of course it doesn't matter does it because he was a evil dictator who ate kiddies for dinner.
 
The previous government was right, Gaddafi was our ally and he was behaving himself so this war was pointless. Now we are going to have an Islamist government - I guess you've seen the rebels shouting Allahu Akhbar on the news and waving their Islamist flag.
 
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