Prison numbers reach record high

Why don't prisons pay for themselves? There's a massive amount of manpower inside them doing **** all! Make the scumbags work ten hours shifts.
 
scorza said:
Pay for it how?
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how about we stop giving the prisoners spence, when i used to work at a high street electrical store we had a local prison come in once a month to pick up items for the prisoners.

on average it was £1500 a month, funny i thought being in prison was ment to be a punishment not a payed holiday camp.
 
Forde said:
Why don't prisons pay for themselves? There's a massive amount of manpower inside them doing **** all! Make the scumbags work ten hours shifts.
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What would you have the prisoners doing in terms of work? Bearing in mind that it may well cost more to set up the manufacturing facilities and/or have the necessary level of supervision for them doing the work than it would ever return.

GAC said:
how about we stop giving the prisoners spence, when i used to work at a high street electrical store we had a local prison come in once a month to pick up items for the prisoners.

on average it was £1500 a month, funny i thought being in prison was ment to be a punishment not a payed holiday camp.
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What if the entertainment/luxuries actually cost less overall than the supervision necessary if you don't have some form of easily occupying the prisoners? In essence a fair amount of the reason behind giving prisoners access to PS3s (or Xbox 360s - whichever is the lags favourite is unimportant) is that it prevents trouble because they've got something to while away the time, if you don't want to offer that then fair enough but it'll probably cost more.
 
semi-pro waster said:
What would you have the prisoners doing in terms of work? Bearing in mind that it may well cost more to set up the manufacturing facilities and/or have the necessary level of supervision for them doing the work than it would ever return.
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I've no idea, but it seems like a bit of a waste to have a potential workforce not doing anything productive on a large scale, especially when A) they adversely affected someone's life to be in there in the first place and B) the good people of society have to pay for their upkeep. What work would be undertaken and how would, of course, need to be thoroughly researched. There would be no point in making them earn money for the prison system if it cost more to set up and manage.
 
The difficult thing is doing it without losing jobs in the UK.
Prison labour IS cheap. They are not paid £10-15 an hour to work on a lathe for instance. So straight away you have a cheaper source of work.

In the US they make license plates, or mail sacks. This would lose jobs elsewhere, as thy places making them in the UK would be no longer required. Imagine the uproar when the unions get wind of it.

Though I do agree in principle!
 
Tax bank bonuses? goodbye bankers, you think they would stay in the UK just to keep being taxed everytime we want to build the next new shiney thing?

As to making prisoners work, I agree in principle but I do doubt its workable, as far as im aware license plate manufacture is almost all automated so thats a no go and you tell the postmen that we think prisoners should do some of their job! :P The problem with the idea is supervision, US guards have guns....now i dont agree with guns or suggest our guards be given them but it is true that a work gang in america can work outside of jail with very few guards because every prisoner knows if he runs....he will be shot.

America has the largest prison population in the history of the world and yet their crime rates are sky high and their re-offending rates are also huge....their prisoners would never be accused of having an easy time in jail, so to be honest I find the suggestion that our prisons are pleasant, whilst not necessarily untrue, also beside the point, if a prison being nice helps keep out re-offending figures lower than america then maybe thats the way to go....for example:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1384308/Norways-controversial-cushy-prison-experiment--catch-UK.html
 
Jasonst888 said:
Tax bank bonuses? goodbye bankers, you think they would stay in the UK just to keep being taxed everytime we want to build the next new shiney thing?
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You make it sound like a bad thing.

Jasonst888 said:
As to making prisoners work, I agree in principle but I do doubt its workable, as far as im aware license plate manufacture is almost all automated so thats a no go and you tell the postmen that we think prisoners should do some of their job! :P The problem with the idea is supervision, US guards have guns....now i dont agree with guns or suggest our guards be given them but it is true that a work gang in america can work outside of jail with very few guards because every prisoner knows if he runs....he will be shot.

America has the largest prison population in the history of the world and yet their crime rates are sky high and their re-offending rates are also huge....their prisoners would never be accused of having an easy time in jail, so to be honest I find the suggestion that our prisons are pleasant, whilst not necessarily untrue, also beside the point, if a prison being nice helps keep out re-offending figures lower than america then maybe thats the way to go....for example:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1384308/Norways-controversial-cushy-prison-experiment--catch-UK.html
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The USA's crime figures have been falling consistently since a peak in the '80s. There's lots of debate why this is but certainly common sense would indicate that keeping bad guys locked up for a long time and off the streets has something to do with it.
 
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