New Star Trek in development - limited info inside

I think whatever they do, and like it or not, the tv scene has moved on since the likes of TNG, DS9, Voyager and SG1 which was also mentioned. Sadly for a franchise like Trek they probably will need a huge budget, especially if they are to bring it up to date with the latest things on offer. (Which is what the execs would want i reckon).

Actors in cheesily bad costumes won't cut it anymore. Maybe the die hard trekkies will look past points such as this, but the mass media and viewing public won't.

Shows like BSG and SGU, and yes while the latter got cancelled, have raised the bar in terms of production values. The tv/film viewing audience has been spoilt over recent years since Enterprise ended with amazing alien creatures and sfx.

As i said, the bar has been raised, in both production values and the story. It would be a disservice to not give a new trek tv series full advantage of these new techniques.
 
I would love to see more star trek series. However you have to imagien that a) it wont feature the movie cast due to budgetry contraints, and b) it must surely be set either before the latest movie or after the Vulcan explosion in the latest film. To go back to the "old" universe now would just confuse the issue.

On that basis, they have quite a free reign of what do do. I doubt that they'll do another prequel type show though so I'd guess they are aiming for post Vulcan demise series. I think I'd like to see more battles than traditionally in Trek though which probably wouldn't fit with the old universe because the feds are all about peace and love, but maybe in the new universe things will be different. Maybe it'll be a Klingon show rather than a federation one. That could be cool.

I just hope they don't have anything to do with any time travel for at least the first 3 seasons.

Woody__ said:
I honestly don't see them risking a BSG style Star Trek show.

It's no coincidence that Stargate SG1 went on for longer and was far more successful than SG-U.
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It would appear that you are suggesting that the different type of format was the main reason for Universe being axed after its contracted 2 seasons compared to SG-1 getting 10. As a massive fan of both shows I would suggest that there were plenty of other reasons for it's premature demise and it's filming and direction style really weren't part of it in my opinion. SGU was an expensive show to make for starters, and it was being made during a recession with the parent company MGM being skint, and it was trying to do an awful lot with a large cast and as a result had a lacklustre first season and a slow start to the second.

Once you get about 1/3 of the way through season 2 it really picked up but they only got a seasons 2 in the first place because they had an initial contract of 2 seasons. Had they not had that then it would have been canned after just 1. SG1 had a much tighter cast to work plots around, was cheaper to make, wasn't made in a recession, was funnier AND it had the ever beautiful Amanda Tapping in.

Looking back, the first season of SG-1 wasn't that great. Season 2 was much better but because it was already guaranteed 4 seasons it managed to really get going. Had SGU been given the same generous starting contract I've no doubt it would have done very well.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. Possibly new Star Trek on the horizon, yay!
 
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Todge said:
It would appear that you are suggesting that the different type of format was the main reason for Universe being axed after its contracted 2 seasons compared to SG-1 getting 10. As a massive fan of both shows I would suggest that there were plenty of other reasons for it's premature demise and it's filming and direction style really weren't part of it in my opinion. SGU was an expensive show to make for starters, and it was being made during a recession with the parent company MGM being skint, and it was trying to do an awful lot with a large cast and as a result had a lacklustre first season and a slow start to the second.

Once you get about 1/3 of the way through season 2 it really picked up but they only got a seasons 2 in the first place because they had an initial contract of 2 seasons. Had they not had that then it would have been canned after just 1. SG1 had a much tighter cast to work plots around, was cheaper to make, wasn't made in a recession, was funnier AND it had the ever beautiful Amanda Tapping in.

Looking back, the first season of SG-1 wasn't that great. Season 2 was much better but because it was already guaranteed 4 seasons it managed to really get going. Had SGU been given the same generous starting contract I've no doubt it would have done very well.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. Possibly new Star Trek on the horizon, yay!
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That's exactly what I'm suggesting. SG1 was cheaper to make and made more money in syndication than SGU. Quality is irrelevant, really. SG1 had the financial power to keep itself going, something that SGU couldn't have cause of the arc format. In syndication it would be a nightmare, so yeah, the cost of making it outweighed the power it had in the marketplace.

Obviously ratings had their place too and once again, the arc heavy format has an impact on that.
 
Some mroe details on the proposed series from http://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/television/star-trek-tv-series-planned-takes-place-voyager.html

In the wake of JJ Abrams’ 2009 movie a lot has changed in the Star Trek universe. That film was specifically designed to change the timeline established by all other Star Trek’s which came before. However, it sounds like this new idea will ignore the latest movie and stick with established canon. Foster explains:

The vision that we have created is true to the “pre-2009 screen canon” (TV and movies). We were also careful with the Star Trek: Enterprise canon as well. Through the years, I have had the chance to get to know many of the original series cast, crew, and even some of the studio execs. I have developed an extremely deep passion for the original vision of Gene Roddenberry. And while Star Trek has moved on with other series that were not exactly in line with Gene’s original vision, the roots are there to tap into.

The show would pick up in a time period after the one covered in Star Trek: Voyager. We’re talking Next Generation era technology here. Don’t expect to see a lot of cast from other previous Trek incarnations though. They’re going younger. Here’s how they explain what it will be about:

The series is highly energized with a much younger cast, and uses cutting-edge future technologies with newly envisioned special effects and designs. It includes Klingons, Ferengi, Andorians, Vulcans, Trill, and many more. The Klingons are getting very restless since the Praxis incident forced them to come to the peace tables, and are tired of having to rely on the Federation for support. The Ferengi have discovered a vast new resource that has propelled them towards instant riches and power beyond anything they have previously experienced.

The really exciting thing here is that this seems to be more than just some random pipe-dream. Foster says they’ve talked to CBS about it and while they haven’t officially pitched it to them through his 1974 Entertainment production company, the feedback from CBS has been very positive. This may actually go somewhere. Stick around, we’ll keep you apprised.
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PermaBanned said:
1) You don't need a huge budget to have a story arc.
2) The idea that a show needs a huge budget to have lots of shiny effects and explosions purely in order to compete with something that is aimed at a completely different audience is absurd. Star Trek has never been about massive fights in space (mostly), it's been about story. And, largely, about a future we'd ultimately all like to see unfold.
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But in its time, many years ago they spent one million dollars per episode on st.tng.
That was super massive budget back then.
 
Todge said:
Some mroe details on the proposed series from http://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/television/star-trek-tv-series-planned-takes-place-voyager.html
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Whehey for not going with the JJ-verse!

I've a funny feeling the studios will want it to tie in with Star Trek (2009) (I'm not sticking an XI after it) so as the audience won't be confused (and to try and cash in on the success of the film.

I still think it's too soon though. I also think that the future of Star Trek is not on standard tv but through the internet, they just need to figure out a way to incorporate localised ads which can't be skipped (unless you pay a premium) and a way to get all the rating bodies to agree.
 
I would also welcome Star Trek back to my TV screen. Enterprise was great, count me in the fan club. I'm hoping that we may see a darker series that will maybe focus on the war against the Klingons.
 
Would be nice for a new trek series to come back especially if ira was involved (guy who was invoved with ds9 and i think tng). Has to be the same time line as tng/ds9/voyager tho, no prequels or sequels.

The next step i would imagine would be a enterprise type ship that has a 5 year journey in one of the quadrants that hasn't been the focus much of. Maybe the beta or gamma quadrant.

Do NOT want a young cast, they have to be at least in their mid 30s to mid 40s.
 
Why not a sequel? I think the TNG/DS9/Voyager era has run it's course tbh. There are only so many times you can keep exploting the same era.

Trek has also had plenty of younger characters. Many of the main characters were in their mid to late twenties in all four of the modern series, and they worked well enough. Younger doesn't necessarily mean just out of adulthood.

Mm another 5 year mission, again it's treading over the same ground. It had to be something new (but while keeping whats good).

The exploration in trek has been it's biggest strength, but also it's biggest weakness. The Adventure/Alien/Planet of the week idea need to brought in line with modern tv imo. it might work for ratings, but it can also get very dull, and very monotonous over time.

- Exploration
- Great and intriguing characters
- A Completely new era
- Great multiple episode arcs/background mythology.

The 2009 film re-invented Trek by taking it in a new, cooler direction. A TV series needs to follow suit imo, perhaps succeed where Enterprise failed (to some, but i enjoyed it).
 
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Demoniser, I respect your opinion but in my opinion i like them eras and i wouldn't mind seeing more, i could never get bored of em. The new trek film was pants, a lot of trek fans didn't like it and i cant see the next one being anywhere near as good in sales as the first now that ppl know what jj does to trek.

About the young cast, well the odd one or two is fine but for the captain and senior officers i would prefer they actually had a older age to show they went through starfleet and looked seasoned and not fresh. Basically saying I wouldnt like a trek 2009 crew of youngsters or red squad lol.
 
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Oh i like the era as well, just after 21 seasons and 4 feature films, i think it's run it's course from a television/film perspective and i don't see it being likely from a financial viewpoint.

I liked the young cast in the newer film, as it fit the style and...energy. I don't think i'd like the same for a full series though, it could get irritating.
 
Demoniser said:
Oh i like the era as well, just after 21 seasons and 4 feature films, i think it's run it's course from a television/film perspective and i don't see it being likely from a financial viewpoint.

I liked the young cast in the newer film, as it fit the style and...energy. I don't think i'd like the same for a full series though, it could get irritating.
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I think it's pretty much impossible to get bored of 'an era'. How many 'present day' shows have there been? Have you ever sat down to watch something and said 'damn, i'm bored of the present day, i wish they would stop making shows about it'?
 
Ive been reading the books that follow on from season 4 of Enterprise, they should have carried on with that.

Some people might think im crazy but Enterprise is my fave series of all the Star Trek series. It was definatly axed before it should have been in my opinion, the story lines were leading into the Romulan Wars and i think it would have made good viewing and it would have been interesting to see the United Earth leading into the Federation.
 
I'd like to see a Trek series based around the marquis that would be awesome Piracy smuggling etc...


plus you'd see a darker side of the federation from the perspective of the marquis the federation abandoning them for the good of the whole etc...
 
Enterprise was really good.
It was the first Star Trek series in widescreen, HDTV and had a pretty decent budget, especially the pilot episode.

I don't think BSG had as big a budget as you might assume since they cut corners so much paper/discs were made to be octagonal in reference.
 
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They need to move away from monster of the week show format, it is so tired and every Trek series has done this already.

DS9 had it right with a mix of "monster of the week" and "arc" for my mind you need to stick more to an arc driven line as that is where sci-fi excels. MotW is only going to get you so far, Star Trek will not attract new viewers with that old format that everyone is used to. A strong arc based story with occasional motw chucked in would keep their fan base a lot more interested and potentially get a lot of outsiders involved if it can get a rep as producing something really strong story wise.

Nothing will change though, it will be same old voyager, next gen, enterprise garbage that I won't bother watching.

If only there was more BSG to come :(
 
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