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Delboy said:
At the moment yes, I've set up an admin guide that I want everyone to agree to before handing over any dosh (its on our collaboration site) so that everyone understands what is required. If they don't agree then they will be removed from the list - there's nothing in the guide thats over onerous, just some simple common sense approach to adminstering a server. Failure to comply with even these simple rules will mean a revoke of admin privilages but VIP status would remain.

I will control overall admin. There is a large amount of trust being handed out here and as this is only a trial period we'll see how it pans out. I hope that everyone who has signed up knows and appreciates that fact. You will be responsible for running and administering a BF3 server with the goal of creating a fair, fun, well administrated server for people to play on.

The numbers are looking good so far, depending on remaining interest I may have to close availability to maintain reasonable numbers but so far we're looking at around 14 contributors. Most of which I know from steam anyway which is good.
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Yeah just be careful, we had a meeting in the clan the other day and have decided to limit admin hence us pulling out of outside donations. We had a few previous admin which would kick people who were constantly killing them and use excuses as to why they kicked them.

Its so hard to track and keep a hold of, i'd defiantly leave it at 14 for now otherwise you'll have long list of complaints from people.

Set up procon or BF3cc admin tool and and leave it running that way you can check back thro the logs and convo's to see what went on. Also might be an idea to set different levels of admin privileges.

What tools you planning on using to admin it?

Eulogy said:
I'd like to think it's less about buying admin and more about buying a server to play on, which is not administered by retards (yes, I have come across more than a few servers which have power hungry admins).

For example, Squark and I were playing the other day, we were in the same squad, but the squad was locked (neither of us locked it, must have been locked automatically). The admin asked us to unlock the squad, we did so, and then we both got slayed anyway.
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Thats all well and true for your self, but what if your admin was like the admin you mentioned, isn't it more likely that someone might feel the same as you if there are random people with different opinions on how a server should be run.
 
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Good advice TheGoon and yes this is definately a punt in terms of trust but I'm prepared to give everyone a chance to prove they are not idiots and can adhere to the guide. Chances are that they won't be the only contributor playing on the server if they do kick/ban out of the hand and this can all be recorded in our collaboration site with appropriate actions taken. I'm also setting up an email address which we'll make public so people can complain if they need to and I will use something along the lines of ProCon (which i've used for BC2) or BF3cc to keep tabs on the logs.

And Hippos is right, they may not get that actively involved in the admin side if they don't want to and just use the VIP and a collective place to play some BF3 with fellow players on a server that is administered correctly. They also have a say in what maps/modes etc through the use of a voting system in our site. We'll see. :)
 
yes definetly true about giving everyone admin, i know i wouldnt. too many cooks spoil the soup/ broth you get the drift :p

one cant get in one night fancies game kicks someone to get in , someone is hacking (isnt just killed that certain admin :p) so many minor things and so many headaches are possible.

then again if it works it works.

be ready on here though one slip up and its like piranahs ready to feed :p

especially if they paying thats double whammy time :D

wish theyd hurry up with the beta :p
 
Delboy said:
Good advice TheGoon and yes this is definately a punt in terms of trust but I'm prepared to give everyone a chance to prove they are not idiots and can adhere to the guide. Chances are that they won't be the only contributor playing on the server if they do kick/ban out of the hand and this can all be recorded in our collaboration site with appropriate actions taken. I'm also setting up an email address which we'll make public so people can complain if they need to and I will use something along the lines of ProCon (which i've used for BC2) or BF3cc to keep tabs on the logs.

And Hippos is right, they may not get that actively involved in the admin side if they don't want to and just use the VIP and a collective place to play some BF3 with fellow players on a server that is administered correctly. They also have a say in what maps/modes etc through the use of a voting system in our site. We'll see. :)
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Yup sounds good. We talking about a 3 strike rule, 3 seperate complaints from 3 different players would result in admin privilage being revoked for 1 months and further complaints would result in removal from admin. That way their are no knee jerk responces and gives people the benifit of the doubt.

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yes definetly true about giving everyone admin, i know i wouldnt. too many cooks spoil the soup/ broth you get the drift :p

one cant get in one night fancies game kicks someone to get in , someone is hacking (isnt just killed that certain admin :p) so many minor things and so many headaches are possible.

then again if it works it works.

be ready on here though one slip up and its like piranahs ready to feed :p

especially if they paying thats double whammy time :D

wish theyd hurry up with the beta :p
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I do feel it is possible to do.... It can be done if done properly not just access for all, limited for newbies, more for trusted and known.

For example have a promotion structure to encourage people to be fair admins. This is how i try to run our clan, give every1 the chance ...Your levels could be:

Level 1 Admin: Clan forge control owner/manager
Level 2 Admin: Clan forge level 5 Procon/BF3cc control
Level 3 Admin: Clan forge level 3 In game: kick, slay, yell, ban, change map, restart
Level 4 Admin: In game: Kick, slay and yell.

Eg... to get to level 2 admin, you must have been server admin with no complaints for 6 months and so on and so on.

Just watch who has the ban hammer, once sum1 sees their banned they aren't likely to come back ! The customer is always right.
 
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TheGoon, email me in trust I'll be happy to share my admin guide and take any input from you. You may think of something I've missed.
 
I'll probably donate too, depends who you get it from. I prefer killercreation servers over the i3d and multiplay, KC servers seem to be the least laggy out of all I've experienced. Also depends how much a month it is. Put me down for a maybe, dependant on how many others donate and where you get it from.
 
most clans used to use the ranking system it used to work well .

in the ones ive been in you worked your way up to get trusted enough to get rcon status which is pretty simple but you follow the server rules.

people would also wear there rank so you knew who to address if there was a problem ;) might seem little over top but worked well.

also if someone came on server they know who is who in your clan and who to speak to.

this is good that people who havent any knowledge of server wont be bothered and people who do know will be asked . works both ways and generally quite good.
 
Aedus said:
I'll probably donate too, depends who you get it from. I prefer killercreation servers over the i3d and multiplay, KC servers seem to be the least laggy out of all I've experienced. Also depends how much a month it is. Put me down for a maybe, dependant on how many others donate and where you get it from.
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We are in the process of taking a vote for it, KC is one of the options however, as not all GSPs have released their prices yet this vote is still work in progress - we'll decide nearer the time. If you want to register your interest, send me an email in trust and i'll invite you to the collaboration site we've got set up.
 
Thegoon84 said:
Done.

So you gona be using the ocuk teams speak or does Bronken have their own TS?
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I've sent it to you.

I run my own 50 slot mumble server which most of the people who are interested in running a Bf3 here are part of anyway. It's open to anyone who wants to use it from OcUK but I know 5UB runs his own as well for OcUK peeps, however I'm a control freak and want to make sure there are no idiots on there - I manage this along with Knubj and Link and it seems to be working out quite well (for the past 6 months) and i'll keep it that way. We've not had many idiots, anyone who was spoiling it have been removed etc etc and it's a pleasant place to be at the moment.
 
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most clans used to use the ranking system it used to work well .

in the ones ive been in you worked your way up to get trusted enough to get rcon status which is pretty simple but you follow the server rules.

people would also wear there rank so you knew who to address if there was a problem ;) might seem little over top but worked well.

also if someone came on server they know who is who in your clan and who to speak to.

this is good that people who havent any knowledge of server wont be bothered and people who do know will be asked . works both ways and generally quite good.
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Personally I'm not interested in ranks etc, I see your point but thats a step too far. If people want to wear tags to identify themselves then so be it, otherwise it's left entirely down to the individual. It would be nice if people did so the players could identify the admins - but it's not mandatory. Privilages will be set up appropriately and I remain the master account holder so I have the final say if people get out of line :D
 
Is it just me reading negative undertones from existing server admins....? ;-)

For me I just want access to a server with a number of like minded admins and no huge list 'do's' and 'don't's'. This looks perfect to me.

Oh and a game of Conquest would be good too....
 
I think most of the people on here are pretty sound and will make fine admins.
 
McGray said:
Is it just me reading negative undertones from existing server admins....? ;-)

For me I just want access to a server with a number of like minded admins and no huge list 'do's' and 'don't's'. This looks perfect to me.

Oh and a game of Conquest would be good too....
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How do you know you are playing with Like minded admins may I ask, if any1 from OcUK can join in? thats a silly statement to make if i'm honest and couldn't be more opposite to the bigger picture. At least in a clan people know the direction the server will be run however harsh the rules... what's going on here is random people forming to create a server?

LiE said:
I think most of the people on here are pretty sound and will make fine admins.
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With 5000+ posts you really believe that? My god when my clan had 4x 32 slots of bc2 full, I’ve never been so busy on these forums in my life, everyday sum1 would be slagging me or my admin off!!

This is a mine field and needs to be managed correctly and judging by what I’ve seen, Delboy’s got it down bar a few tweeks.
 
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I guess I'm just hoping that most of the idiots on this forum won't want to part with money to help admin a server. It should attract the decent folk hopefully!
 
everyone makes fine admins until they start banning people :p

such a fine line and a lot of people can make silly small mistakes . no bad undertones but like said you can turn a busy server into a graveyard with a few wrong mistakes and people dont come back .

this is why admins are being talked about.

people who arnt used to it may at some point do it and that split minute you not on your server is emptied.

at least a good plan is being used so it should be minimal in trouble but guarenteed there always is trouble ;)
 
This is why Delboy has said he'll remove admin privs from people that misuse them.

There's nothing wrong with giving people the benefit of the doubt at first and then reacting if they can't be trusted.
 
McGray said:
I think you are all taking it too seriously.

It's a game server lol.
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You can't really blame people for getting defensive when you insinuate something bad about them (the current server admins).

Some got defensive when I made a comment earlier in the thread and it was completely reasonable of them to react in that way.
 
LiE said:
I guess I'm just hoping that most of the idiots on this forum won't want to part with money to help admin a server. It should attract the decent folk hopefully!
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Imo it works quite the opposite, any1 who wants admin would clearly like the power, granted some more than others. But it’s a total gamble on who’s gona be a fair admin here, we have quite a large number of people in the clan, some are fair with players others are harsh, some will warn others will kick.
 
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