What you think about Israel?

footman said:
The partition plan was a resolution adopted by the General Assembly of the United Nations:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

The British refused to enforce it because they said it was unacceptable to either side.
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Indeed, but the ideas for partition first started with the British and that grew into a reality, also don't forget that the UK was an important member of the UN.
Though some of the reason they left that area was because they could see how S%#$ was about to hit the fan and there was nothing they could do to keep the peace or keep their colonial influence in the area for much longer due to unrest from both the Palestinian and Zionist "freedom fighter" groups. I'm cutting the story down obviously, books could be written just on this small topic alone.
 
I find it amusing that you assert that the wiki link is Israeli biased and yet your first link was to the IHR. Do you even know who the IHR are? Have a look on wiki to find out who started the IHR. :D
 
pirate said:
Apparently, most sources are biased for you. Why don't list those that are acceptable?
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No, just most of the ones zoomee posts. Unless you honestly feel that a website for an organisation started by an ex BNP member is going to give clear unbiased information? :D
 
It would seem that some classical music lovers at the Royal Albert Hall aren't overly impressed by the presence of the Israel Philharmonic Orchestra at the BBC Radio 3 Proms - EXCELLENT! :)
 
Hikari Kisugi said:
Why exactly will I take offence?
Go on and explain it to me please.
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The word Eire means burden.

The word Éire is the name of Ireland in Irish.

Many Irish nationalists take exception at the usage of the term "Eire" to refer to Ireland because firstly it means burden and secondly because it shows a lack of respect in failing to use the correct name of the country.

This thread I managed to find with some quick google-fu shows that, yes, I haven't imagined it. Some people in Ireland do fine the use of the term to be offensive

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=51632592

This post shows why it really shouldn't be used.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=51628245&postcount=12
 
spudbynight said:
The word Eire means burden.
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Not in English it doesn't. That was the language I was using, it would only be considered offensive, and even then only by a few purists of the Irish language, if I had used it in an Irish sentence, where I would have used the Irish spelling anyway, thus giving no offence.

spudbynight said:
The word Éire is the name of Ireland in Irish.

Many Irish nationalists take exception at the usage of the term "Eire" to refer to Ireland because firstly it means burden and secondly because it shows a lack of respect in failing to use the correct name of the country.

This thread I managed to find with some quick google-fu shows that, yes, I haven't imagined it. Some people in Ireland do fine the use of the term to be offensive

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=51632592

This post shows why it really shouldn't be used.


http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=51628245&postcount=12
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I used Eire though, which is a British English word, not the Irish one you keep referring to. I used it on a British Forum, using the British English language in a context that was not offensive to anyone, least of all the Irish.

I wonder if you will write to all the 500 Irish companies such as Eircom Group to explain how offensive their corporate identity is, or to the Irish Government who use the word in any number of quangos and state agencies such as EirGrid.

How about BAA and it's use in UK Airports such as Liverpool?
 
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Castiel said:
I used Eire though, which is a British English word, not the Irish one you keep referring to. I used it on a British Forum, using the British English language in a context that was not offensive to anyone, least of all the Irish.

I wonder if you will write to all the 500 Irish companies such as Eircom Group to explain how offensive their corporate identity is, or to the Irish Government who use the word in any number of quangos and state agencies such as EirGrid.

How about BAA and it's use in UK Airports such as Liverpool?
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You have said that Eire is a British English word - I would like to know what is means. Can you quote a dictionary definition for me please. I don't think that is too much to ask, do you?

I am also puzzled by your logic in your next point. Lets take Eircom as an example - Can you point out to me where in it's branding it uses either the word Eire or Éire for that matter. I would be interested in seeing where the Irish Government uses it and in what context.

Did you have a look at the boards thread I linked?

As for the BAA and their use, well, I think as country we have a lot to be embarrassed about. I think our treatment of Ireland has been particularly shameful throughout history.
 
Guys, i am Irish, and i never use Eire, (i cant use the proper spelling, with the fada over the E),
But if i was to speak of the irish name for Ireland, i would use Eirinn (there should also be a fada over the E)

edit, but i have never heard of anyone not liking Eire, and i did read your link spudbynight ;)
 
Castiel said:
Not in English it doesn't. That was the language I was using, it would only be considered offensive, and even then only by a few purists of the Irish language, if I had used it in an Irish sentence, where I would have used the Irish spelling anyway, thus giving no offence.
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I remember from the history syllabus in Ireland that mention was made of the term "Eire" being used by "the British" as a derogatory term.

And from this post I don't think I was alone in being taught that.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=864291&postcount=3
 
j.col said:
edit, but i have never heard of anyone not liking Eire, and i did read your link spudbynight ;)
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Hey, I want to a Christian Brothers school. A hotbed of nationalist sentiment.

Having moved from an English public school you can imagine how well I fitted in!

:D
 
spudbynight said:
Not an English one. Lots of American ones on-line but I don't hold much stock in them.
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Eire:
(n) *Ireland, Republic of Ireland, Irish Republic.

Eire:
(n) a republic consisting of 26 of 32 counties comprising the island of Ireland; achieved independence from the United Kingdom in 1922.
 
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Castiel said:
Eire:
(n) *Ireland, Republic of Ireland, Irish Republic.

Eire:
(n) a republic consisting of 26 of 32 counties comprising the island of Ireland; achieved independence from the United Kingdom in 1921.
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Crikey, that is a bit arrogant isn't it? I mean, correcting a country on what to call itself? The people of Ireland decide the name of their country and only we could be so bold as to correct them. I am embarrassed to be English sometimes.
 
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