John Cleese: London no longer English

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I have to employ people for my local authority in cleaning jobs and i have to say we treat every applicant fairly. We have employed a number of imigrants in what i would consider to be "awkward" roles (times and conditions) and they have proved to be streets ahead of the local applicants. Thats just fact IMO. Their work ethic is better, their sickness record is less and their adaptability when required is spot on.

They will do jobs that others shy away from, on the whole.

Any UK resident who genuinely wants the job should be able to outperform an imigrant in an interview on language alone. The fact they dont speaks volumes.
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Thats not true, a lot of them live in large groups so working for very little money and stupid hours is easy for them compared to say a British guy or a couple trying to work on min wage and pay a rent/mortgage, good luck trying to get affordable council housing in this country!

If you have say 6 immigrants in a house all working is a lot more comfortable than 2 british adults working and trying to pay a bills!

I have worked at one company and they flew over polish people from Poland, got them in a house and even put on transport to get them to work and back!
 
As an immigrant from SA, I made a concerted effort to not just hand around with other Saffas like most do, and now all my close friends are British. :p
 
awaybreaktoday said:
The problem is us english, we have an image of being bone idle lazy and completely useless.
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Yeah because it suits the government to keep peddling that in the media as an excuse for immigration and now everybody believes it.

How do you expect native English people to compete with the cheap labour of immigrants when our living expenses are so high? benefits simply mask the problem that immigration has caused for English workers. Lots of Poles live around near me half a dozen of them share a house and they get their cigarettes etc sent over from Poland because it's cheaper. A simple minimum wage job enables them to return home very well off so is it any wonder they are so enthusiastic to perform menial jobs? English people who work minimum wage jobs can barely keep their heads above water.
 
mmj_uk said:
Yeah because it suits the government to keep peddling that in the media as an excuse for immigration and now everybody believes it.
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It's true though, I've done many bottom end jobs and it's always the same, me and one or two other English guys who work hard and do a great job. Then English guys who come do a few nights and give up saying it's to hard/not enough money, phone in sick or just don't turn up. Then you have eastern Europeans, who always turn up on time, hard working albeit it not as productive just to language barrier.

Most English people are lazy and would rather have a free ride. However companies will give you a chance but will soon get rid of you. Too many expect everything for nothing and that extends through out the nation. Uni students think they should walk into a good job and people in careers for decades and get made redundant will only accept a similar job, rather than accepting/looking for any job, while they search for a good job which they may not find.

As for the wages, they often are above minimum and even on minimum you can get by, plenty of people do. But again you have to lower your expectations.
 
mmj_uk said:
Yeah because it suits the government to keep peddling that in the media as an excuse for immigration and now everybody believes it.

How do you expect native English people to compete with the cheap labour of immigrants when our living expenses are so high? benefits simply mask the problem that immigration has caused for English workers. Lots of Poles live around near me half a dozen of them share a house and they get their cigarettes etc sent over from Poland because it's cheaper. A simple minimum wage job enables them to return home very well off so is it any wonder they are so enthusiastic to perform menial jobs? English people who work minimum wage jobs can barely keep their heads above water.
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The Poles aren't immigrants as such are they? They are in the EU same as us, so they are still in the EU... is that how it works?
 
mmj_uk said:
Yeah because it suits the government to keep peddling that in the media as an excuse for immigration and now everybody believes it.

How do you expect native English people to compete with the cheap labour of immigrants when our living expenses are so high? benefits simply mask the problem that immigration has caused for English workers. Lots of Poles live around near me half a dozen of them share a house and they get their cigarettes etc sent over from Poland because it's cheaper. A simple minimum wage job enables them to return home very well off so is it any wonder they are so enthusiastic to perform menial jobs? English people who work minimum wage jobs can barely keep their heads above water.
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Take your rose tinted glasses off....
 
No issue with immigrants tbh. The polish and others work bloody hard to put food on the table for their families, while the youth culture of today just don't seem to care, it's too easy to get the paycheck from the job centre.

From those youtube clips (although it may not be unbiased) it just shows how unreliable the british have come to be. Walking out of restaurant... faking sickies etc, I know I wouldn't employ them. I'd rather have a polish person who is passionate about doing an excellent job and wanting to earn money.

I personally like mixing with asians / muslims etc on my day to day, nice to learn about different people and cultures, but I suppose I'm a bit more open minded.
 
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mmj_uk said:
How do you expect native English people to compete with the cheap labour of immigrants when our living expenses are so high? benefits simply mask the problem that immigration has caused for English workers. Lots of Poles live around near me half a dozen of them share a house and they get their cigarettes etc sent over from Poland because it's cheaper. A simple minimum wage job enables them to return home very well off so is it any wonder they are so enthusiastic to perform menial jobs? English people who work minimum wage jobs can barely keep their heads above water.
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But you see, you are looking at it the wrong way around. You are under the impression that basic, unskilled, minimum wage labour force should be able to, or entitled to maintain their "high living expenses" lifestyles. And that impression of yours relies solely on there being tax funded alternative that maintains relatively high level lifestyle with no awareness or care of the actual real life cost. That doesn't happen in any country, certainly not anywhere else in Europe. You presume that an English person employed as shelf stacker, dish washer, night cleaner or leafletter shouldn't actually be leaving in a houseshare of 6 and smoking cheapest tabacco in rizlas that burns like repackaged wet wood chippings. Because somehow that lifestyle is below or wrong or not reflecting a real life for a person paid minimum wage.

But in reality, this fits. It's how it always worked. And the only reason why it doesn't work for English person, is because somehow, Britain developed this unsustainable, bizarro world, where people on a dole, which were supposed to lead life BELOW lifestyle of minimum wage worker, actually lead life of a middle class family with two working parents, with guaranteed housing, where each kid means additional bedroom and luxury items like satellite television, internet and game consoles are, en large, treated as basic required mod cons.
 
Sinny said:
It's the same wherever you go really, there are certain parts of where I live where all you can hear is Polish murmurs as you walk past someone, though It's by no means a bad thing, well it's not a bad thing if was controlled which it isnt.
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English is a compulsory course in Polish schools, they can speak fairly decent English. I do agree about hearing a lot of Polish around, especially where i live. Sometimes i feel like im in Poland again. Can even buy Polish foods and beers from the vast majority of corner shops. Definitely not a bad thing for me as im half Polish myself :p
 
Oxy said:
The Poles aren't immigrants as such are they? They are in the EU same as us, so they are still in the EU... is that how it works?
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Poles are immigrants to the UK. Poland is an EU country, which means they have the right to emigrate to the UK i.e. are legal immigrants. Whether or not this is right is up for debate.
 
If there weren't opportunities then people wouldn't have been coming here for decades.

It's easy enough for people to find these opportunities but it's even easier to claim they took our jerbz.
 
I've been living in the 'ghetto', aka Elephant & Castle for 4 months & it's the first time in my life i've felt seriously out of place. Atleast when i lived up north in a mainly asian community they took pride in their cars, clothes & general looks but jesus E&C reminds me of my student backpack days.

When i was doing a 8am start i would catch the bus & people would literally stare at me (then suck their teeth as i passed by). I mean wtf? I'm sorry for having a suit on & being white.

Will be moving above the river once i get enough deposit money but having only lived in London for 4 months & i was taken back by this. Just that feeling of not belonging.
My mate drove me through London at night when i first arrived & the first thing he said was "everyone you see out of the window is foreign, i'd bet money on it but it's cool finding out about other cultures in your day to day life".
 
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