So how come The Neatherlands have a much lower abortion rate than us and yet it is easier to get an abortion there?
Nadine Dorries abortion proposals
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So how come The Neatherlands have a much lower abortion rate than us and yet it is easier to get an abortion there?
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First of all - this isn't a "Tory" issue - these proposals were put forward by both Dorries and Frank Field of Labour.
Second, Dorries has long been involved in dubious "campaigns" for christian groups who aseem to have dubious intentions.
Third, did serial liar and fantasist Nadine Dorries and Labour MP Frank Field ever have any evidence that these organisations were providing biased advice? Have they have any reason to believe there is a problem with the existing solution, and any evidence that their proposals would work?
Lastly, I thought this was rather good from Suzanne Moore:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/sep/02/abortion-counselling
Second, Dorries has long been involved in dubious "campaigns" for christian groups who aseem to have dubious intentions.
Third, did serial liar and fantasist Nadine Dorries and Labour MP Frank Field ever have any evidence that these organisations were providing biased advice? Have they have any reason to believe there is a problem with the existing solution, and any evidence that their proposals would work?
Lastly, I thought this was rather good from Suzanne Moore:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/sep/02/abortion-counselling
The criterion for sentient is subjective. To say that no one knows when life begins is a tad trivial, for and against arguments have been widely debated, but the truth is out there for all to comtemplate.
As far as i am aware God does not force anyone against their free will, He respects our free will, He gives guidelines for our protection. It's simple and no need to complicate matters any further really, follow Gods way or go it your own way.
One could argue what right does someone have to end the life of an unborn?.
And what if you was out?, You need to act quickly once you find squatters in your premises. Given the trouble, stress, delay and expense of the legal process it is well worth having a jolly good try to peaceably pursuade the squatters to leave, or, if you get the opportunity, to peaceably re-enter and take over, bearing in mind you have a duty of care for any of the squatters' possessions.
You're looking at the negatives, what about the positives.
Personal Stories about abortions and related experiences
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. I don't know about others but what do i see in this pic?, hmmmm!, ok what stands out to me?, a pagan or ancient symbol a "cross" which has no importance to my life personally, i don't believe anyone can prove as a fact that Jesus Christ died on one. The word atheist on the characters t-shirt, might as well stick evolution on that t-shirt, evolution-atheism = blind mindless processes perhaps .
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The unborn is not the aggressor.
Yes that could be becuase they don't care and have absolutely no moral compass, maybe they are the ones that should be terminated. Hmmm! where is a T-1000 when you need one?
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He might possibly mean a cross shaped cross rather than a T which would have been quite likely. But then, this is Kedge, so it probably means whatever he has just read from Watchtower.
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Yep, more Watchtower rubbish.
http://www.watchtower.org/e/200604a/article_01.htm
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What is a true christian in the first place?. And the truth is i don't believe Jesus Christ was impaled onto a cross. People can believe whatever they want.
The keeping of the sabbath was a commandment from God, so folk had a choice to obey or not, the choice was theirs. On the other hand (so to speak) the aborted have no choice of even making it into this world to grow and to make the choice for themselves.
Is keeping the sabbath something you agree with? Do you think people should be put to death for not doing so?
I'm in agreement with the Creator of life, i try not to judge anyone.
You have not answered the question.
Is keeping the sabbath something you agree with? Do you think people should be put to death for not doing so as commanded by your "creator of life"?
You've done a lot of whining about true Christians, so I thought you might be able to help on that front. However, I think I'm coming to the conclusion that you're a wriggling snake and will find a way out of any arguments brought against you.
However, I agree that it isn't important how he died, only that he did die horribly and was later raised to life.
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I'm no expert on scripture but believe the sabbath was a covenant between God and his people. I don't observe the sabbath in this day and age.
It's not for me to judge others, so i can only speak for myself. If i was living back then and was worshiping God and i disobeyed his commands, and, knowing full well the consequences (as this one spoken of in the covenant) then i would accept the punishment i suppose.
I have questioned what is true christianity?, i don't think i have whinged about true christians. There are proffessed christians, i suppose one day christains? and folk who hang a cross around their neck, but what does this really indicate for the individual?, what are they actually implying?, hey look i love Jesus Christ because i wear a cross?, i have no idea. I guess the answer is in the Christ part of Christ-ian. Jesus is the leader/spiritual leader of the christian congregation yes?, so does this mean a person who wants to follow Jesus Christ and become a christian should follow in his exact footsteps? (so to speak), to mirror his life and beliefs on this earth as he did?. If so, then whom is "really" a true christian?.
Wriggle me this? ...How can you prove as a fact that Jesus Christ was put tu death on a cross?.
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Subjective or not a zygote is not sentient.
Your god gave guidelines that are interpreted and altered by humans. this is the crux of the problem as having so called "pro-lifers" (like somehow they think people are against life) give termination counselling as they are humans blinded by their own twisted version of faith. These people cannot be allowed to give "advice" to women contemplating termination. These women need ubiased advice not religious dogma disguised as unbiased advice.
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If you have trouble with the cross being a pagan symbol (can't say I thought it was) then you better hold onto your hat as I hate to break this to you but a lot of your holy days and rituals are borrowed from paganism. Halloween, Christmas, Easter just to name a few.
I can't, but it doesn't matter anyway. The point is that he died a painful death, and was raised to life. That's the important bit.
Which I pretty much said in the post that you were responding to.
And as for this "true Christian" crap... Your earlier posts went on about how "true Christians" agreed that life begins at conception, which suggests you feel you have some authority on what a true Christian does and does not believe. Now you're getting all fuzzy about things? Give over.
But it is biologically alive. Is it true abortion-rights advocates do not know when life begins?. As mentioned at christianlife .net
It is a two-edged sword. If no one knows when full humanness is attained, then we cannot prevent a Satan-worshipping neighbor, who believes that full humanness begins at the age of two, from sacrificing his one-and-a-half-year-old son to the unholy one. After all, who knows when life begins?
If it is true that we don't know when full humanness begins, this is an excellent reason not to kill the unborn, since we may be killing a human entity who has a full right to life?.
Regardless i suppose anyway because people are going to do what they think is right. It is not me anyone is answerable to.
Bosh. I have no authority, and as far as i am aware or from what i can tell, christians/believers in God also believe life begins at conception?.