John Cleese: London no longer English

I went to London Town last Tuesday with my wife, dad, brother and sister. We parked at Westfield shopping centre. We got tickets for the Underground from a machine. We ate pizza from a good Italian restaurant on the Chiswick Road.

We went on the high speed Thames boat that had been booked online and had English commentary of the scenery. We came home.

My point is that our 'hi-tech' society, you can get by using machines, swipe cards, internet codes and pointing. We've given ourselves reasons not to integrate and speak to people.

Also, for all you 'English' people out there, if you want England to survive, take a leaf out of Gandhi's book. We need to (in this country) be self sufficient. Metaphorically speaking, we need to spin the cotton to make our own clothes and be happy taking it in turn to clean the toilets. The moment we don't, we'll be relying on others to do just that. If 'they' are bringing their work ethic and also their families over, who are we to complain?
 
!bluetonic! said:
Also, for all you 'English' people out there, if you want England to survive, take a leaf out of Gandhi's book. We need to (in this country) be self sufficient.
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England (nor the uk as a whole) cannot be self sufficient.

we're too small and need too much.
 
Tefal said:
England (nor the uk as a whole) cannot be self sufficient.

we're too small and need too much.
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And immigration us making this problem worse.
Housing
Food
Jobs
Energy

All under threat from an expanding population, if you take a look at historical population numbers for this country it's quite scary when you look at current numbers.
 
badcompany said:
And immigration us making this problem worse.
Housing
Food
Jobs
Energy

All under threat from an expanding population, if you take a look at historical population numbers for this country it's quite scary when you look at current numbers.
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Unless you're planning a genocide against the natives too you're not going to cull the population to a level where you could sustain it solely self sufficiently even for the basics.

Not to mention a lot of what we consume just isn't available here you can't choose where resources are.
 
badcompany said:
And immigration us making this problem worse.
Housing
Food
Jobs
Energy
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Swindon:-
We're building new housing
We don't grow our own food, but have some 'Pick your own' nearby.
Low unemployment
We could all do our bit to save more energy. The council have turned some street lighting off at night.
 
Evangelion said:
Who are all these idiots who go to London and can't find white people? Every time I visited the place, it was obvious that whites were in the majority.
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Why not have a bit of fun and go with the "no true ..." argument? No true Londoner ever notices anyone elses skin colour, they're too busy looking anywhere but at the person and will just push past them anyway... ;)

Snograt said:
Because he doesn't want to pay great British taxes.
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I'm not sure, are you arguing for or against him being in a good position to comment because of that?

Tefal said:
England (nor the uk as a whole) cannot be self sufficient.

we're too small and need too much.
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You're right, the UK as a whole cannot be self sufficient in all matters but I suspect it could be better than it currently is in that regard and that may be no bad thing.
 
badcompany said:
Ok you continue with your head on the sand.
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Ok you pretend a solution you can't effect will solve everything.



semi-pro waster said:
You're right, the UK as a whole cannot be self sufficient in all matters but I suspect it could be better than it currently is in that regard and that may be no bad thing.
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In which way?

The old simple nationalist food way, or a more modern energy way?

Or do you mean Self sufficient in terms of labour and personnel, requiring no immigrant or outside consultation for advancement?

If you can do the later I'd be amazed but I bet you'd fall behind everyone else if you tried it.
 
"London no longer English"....

What a tosspot - which major capital city in this day and age is not cosmopolitan. From Paris to Berlin, that's just the way it is.
 
Tefal said:
In which way?

The old simple nationalist food way, or a more modern energy way?

Or do you mean Self sufficient in terms of labour and personnel, requiring no immigrant or outside consultation for advancement?

If you can do the later I'd be amazed but I bet you'd fall behind everyone else if you tried it.
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I was thinking in fairly general terms, in both food and energy production I think Britain could do more than it does. Although in both areas there are limits to what can be achieved, in farming terms there isn't enough suitable land to produce all we need, there is some slack in terms of fields that were kept fallow due to EU subsidies perhaps but even if we could approach full capacity we wouldn't be entirely self sufficient and there are problems inherent in approaching full utilisation. In terms of energy production each alternative energy source has it's own problems and limitations that prevent it from becoming just the "energy source" rather than simply an "alternative" - in some cases it's scalability, in others it's environmental concerns, in others it's problems finding suitable sites etc.

I'm not someone who is advocating a moratorium on immigration so no, I don't believe we can do everything without outside labour or skills and knowledge. It was simply a recognition that while we cannot be self sufficient we can probably do more than we do currently.
 
semi-pro waster said:
I was thinking in fairly general terms, in both food and energy production I think Britain could do more than it does. Although in both areas there are limits to what can be achieved, in farming terms there isn't enough suitable land to produce all we need, there is some slack in terms of fields that were kept fallow due to EU subsidies perhaps but even if we could approach full capacity we wouldn't be entirely self sufficient and there are problems inherent in approaching full utilisation. In terms of energy production each alternative energy source has it's own problems and limitations that prevent it from becoming just the "energy source" rather than simply an "alternative" - in some cases it's scalability, in others it's environmental concerns, in others it's problems finding suitable sites etc.

I'm not someone who is advocating a moratorium on immigration so no, I don't believe we can do everything without outside labour or skills and knowledge. It was simply a recognition that while we cannot be self sufficient we can probably do more than we do currently.
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vertical farming removes the land issue (greatly raises the energy and fertilizer issue though) but the problem is focusing heavily on food means you can't focus as much on anything else and lets face it even backwater 3rd world countries far and away outstrip us in food production capability. It makes more sense to get the food cheaply from them than waste huge resources getting it here.
 
Sheesh, what a bunch of rabbit.

To those people who believe that the mass immigration policies of the past 60 years have deeply damaged this country it makes more sense to keep your powder dry and register your disgust electorally. With a lame Tory government shackled to the Liberal Democrats the next election can't be that far off.

So what do we do? Vote for minority parties at the next election, that's what. What we've had at Westminster these last 60 years is a malignant consensus of pro-immigration parties. Tories whose employer wing has been addicted to an endless flow of cheap labour from the Third World and later, the EU. Labourites who've abandoned the interests of British working people in favour an endless flow of cheap votes from new arrivals. A Liberal party in the grip of institutional AIDS — they've absolutely no resistance to foreign bodies! We've allowed these people to treat our society as though it were a bio-experiment all these years. We, our children and our children's children are not test tube specimens in some left-winger's social engineering wet dream. We're not breeding livestock on some Tory lordling's landed estate.

All we can say with certainty is that if we all trot out and follow traditional voting patterns at the next election we'll get more of the same. So, if you care about the damage uncontrolled immigration has done to this country do something different. I'm not saying vote BNP because they're holocaust-denying nutjobs. But consider voting UKIP or even for the Greens. Sure, these are one-issue parties to whom we may not wish to commit the country's future in the long term. But if a big enough block of these parties makes it to Parliament (or even disrupts local constituency voting patterns) we'll be firing a shot across the bows of these Westminster buggers that'll shake them to the core. Yes, it'll cause political instability, maybe economic uncertainty, but will that be so bad compared with the shambles we've had these last 60 years? In the 1950s they told us we needed overseas labour. By the 1980s they were telling us that British industry was 'overmanned'. And yet all the while since then we've been importing Third World bodies hand over fist with all the social infrastructure costs and social disintegration that entails. All this when the whole thrust of manufacturing and service industry development worldwide has been to eliminate labour and where they can't eliminate it, to offshore it. What're we going to do with all these bodies in 2060 when this country's population stands at 80 million? Can you really trust these Westminster machine politicians any more?

For god's sake do something different at the next election.
 
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In terms of overpopulation, are their any figures comparing:

Births to British parents (2nd generation+)
Births to first generation immigrants
British emigrants
Immigrants

I'm curious as to how much of the increase is down to chavvy Brits spawning loads or actual immigrants and their children.
 
krooton said:
In terms of overpopulation, are their any figures comparing:

Births to British parents (2nd generation+)
Births to first generation immigrants
British emigrants
Immigrants

I'm curious as to how much of the increase is down to chavvy Brits spawning loads or actual immigrants and their children.
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The problem is the english like everybody else on this planet are immortal beings who have forgotten their true nature. Your skin is there to mask you from your true nature....
 
krooton said:
In terms of overpopulation, are their any figures comparing:

Births to British parents (2nd generation+)
Births to first generation immigrants
British emigrants
Immigrants

I'm curious as to how much of the increase is down to chavvy Brits spawning loads or actual immigrants and their children.
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I don't know of figures that provide that kind of resolution. The 80 million figure I quoted is based on EU projections (actually 78.925 million) here:

http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=STAT/11/80&type=HTML

What's generally agreed among demographers is that the birth rate among white Europeans in most EU countries has been falling for decades. So, the growth has got to be from a combination of the birthrate of residents of non-European origin and current immigration.
 
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