John Cleese: London no longer English

John Cleese is one of my favourite people of all time. Him being a tax exile, however, does not leave him in a position to make any comment on the makeup of British society - regardless of whether he is right or not!

IMHO, of course ;)

Thanks for clarifying, I'd largely agree and just wanted to check before making any comments. I wouldn't quite go as far as to say he has no right to comment but equally I'm likely to put less weight on what he says because of his choice in the same way it seems a bit rich for Sir Sean to demand Scottish Independence.

Why should he pay UK taxes to subsidize this multicultural crap that he doesn't agree with? Paying taxes is not patriotic. Now if they put it back to where only land owners can vote, it would be worth it to him to pay taxes.

At the point of payment you don't get to say what your taxes are used for or if you do it will be correctly and summarily ignored. If Mr Cleese wants to object to how his taxes are used then there's the polling boothes, this option is available to everyone who is enfranchised.
 
There is a sort of hypocrisy in somone like John Cleese, currently resident in the USA and speaking in Australia, complaining about how London is no longer English. That's because those countries are among a host of examples of the 'beneficial' effects of European mass migration. So-called multiracialism is the ******* child of imperialism/colonialism.

An early venture in mass migration in modern imperial history was, of course, slavery. Plantation owners in the Americas needed cheap labour so they imported African slaves — you can't get much cheaper than that — until, that is, slave labour was no longer morally sustainable. Later, particularly in North America, governments encouraged mass migration from Europe to work their growing industries. This pattern was followed over much of the British, French and Spanish Empires, driven partly by the desire to take possession of these colonial territories demographically, and partly by the labour requirements needed to make them economically viable. And what of the indigenous peoples of these territories? Ah well, they were quietly shuffled off the board, exterminated, marginalised or shunted into reservations. It's a pity there wasn't an Aborigine present at the Cleese interview who could have given his views on how 'natively aboriginal' he feels Australia is after 200 years of mass migration.

What I'd dearly like like to hear is the views of, say, native Americans, or South American Indios, Aborigines, Maoris about the 'multicultural enrichment' their societies underwent as a result of mass migration. Anyone know a Palestinian Arab who can come on here and tell us about the 'cultural enrichment' his country enjoyed as a result of the mass migration of European and American Jews to Palestine before and after WWII? Or, closer to home, why not ask a native Irishman how beneficial the migration of English and Scottish 'planters' to Ulster was for Ireland. The real history of mass migration isn't about 'cultural enrichment', it's about dispossession of the native peoples of their territories.

There was someone on here a few weeks ago banging on about how modern mass migration to the UK is just a continuation of a long process of cultural enrichment running through migrations of Celts, Anglo-Saxons, Norsemen and Normans etc. We're always been multicultural, right? So, we must meakly bow our heads and go quietly go into the night in the face of this latest instalment of historic inevitability. Of course, what's been carefully left out of this sanitised account of our history is the butcher's bill that had to be paid along the way. The Anglo-Saxons ethnically cleansed the Celts from most of England to the fringes of Britain. The Norsemen carved out their slice of Britain, the Danegeld, with god knows what body count over many generations. Then came the Normans whose depredations depopulated northern England for generations and who pitched the English people into a feudal slavery from which only the Black Death released them three centuries later. These migrations weren't processes of cultural enrichment, they were holocausts from the point of view of the indigenous peoples that suffered them.

Look around you, the world's littered with the pathetic casualties of mass migration, particularly from imperial times. Our tragedy is that we've let our political establishment turn our country into a latterday colony for Third World and EU labour, to be exploited with all the cynicism of the old imperialists. Multiracialism is imperialism re-branded.
 
Am I the only way who thinks it is kinda cool to see all the different cultures whenever I pop into London?

Sure, some of them are scummy people who bring nothing to the country, but then so are 10% of the white population who would consider themselves to be true Anglo-Saxons or Celt and Gaels.
 
What I'd dearly like like to hear is the views of, say, native Americans, or South American Indios, Aborigines, Maoris about the 'multicultural enrichment' their societies underwent as a result of mass migration.

Fail.

You're not comparing like with like. Those people were invaded by hostile forces which fought and defeated them. There was no "multicultural enrichment" because multiculturalism didn't exist in those days, and was certainly not the aim of the exercise.

What you need to do is compare the UK with other multicultural countries which have a multicultural policy (e.g. Canada, Australia, New Zealand). Comparing the results of multiculturalism in contemporary Great Britain with historic invasions of other countries many centuries ago is pointless and just plain stupid.
 
Fail.

You're not comparing like with like. Those people were invaded by hostile forces which fought and defeated them. There was no "multicultural enrichment" because multiculturalism didn't exist in those days, and was certainly not the aim of the exercise.

What you need to do is compare the UK with other multicultural countries which have a multicultural policy (e.g. Canada, Australia, New Zealand). Comparing the results of multiculturalism in contemporary Great Britain with historic invasions of other countries many centuries ago is pointless and just plain stupid.


Why is it FAIL ** Removed **
 
Why do people keep assuming that? I have only spotted a handful of outright racists, and duly ignore the idiots.
 
Bad trolling dude.

Yes i know, but the entire thread is a complete joke to start with as already pointed out by another poster.

A man who is born in the UK and now lives in the USA is complaining there are to many foriegners living london when percentage wise the amount is far less than the city he actually lives in the USA. Then some muppet goes and quotes what JC says due to his BNP/EDL memberships without relising the ironny of what JC said.
 
Fail.

You're not comparing like with like. Those people were invaded by hostile forces which fought and defeated them. There was no "multicultural enrichment" because multiculturalism didn't exist in those days, and was certainly not the aim of the exercise.

What you need to do is compare the UK with other multicultural countries which have a multicultural policy (e.g. Canada, Australia, New Zealand). Comparing the results of multiculturalism in contemporary Great Britain with historic invasions of other countries many centuries ago is pointless and just plain stupid.

You're right, 'multiculturalism' didn't exist as an explicit policy in imperial days. But there were early echoes of it in the imperial propaganda dispensed to the subject peoples of.the Empire. Whatever their colour or creed, whatever their location from the great plains of Canada to the South African Veldt to the empty vastnesses of Australia, they were all equally the subjects of the 'Great White Queen' in the 'Mother Country', the dispenser of law, justice and all good things. Oh, and if the natives didn't quite buy that line of BS propaganda, there was always the musket and the gatling gun to remind them of their duty. Didn't you read this stuff in your history books?

Sure, multiculturalism is a word invented in the post-war period. In Britain it was adopted to give some sort of 'moral' justification for the process of mass immigration which Left and Right had recently embarked upon for their different cynical reasons. Of course, what rather robs this notion of its moral clothing is that at no time was the British people democratically consulted about this bio-experiment they were being thrust into. You can live in hope of liberation after suffering a foreign invasion but there's no liberation from national bastardy.

Canada, Australia & New Zealand? Well, imperialism is, of couse, the grandest of larcenies — imperialists steal countries. We Brits acknowledged that we'd been very wicked in promoting imperialism and retired to our tight little island. That left all all these displaced, predominanly British people, in the ex-colonial territories. Since imperialism was now evil, what was to be the moral justification for their retention of these 'stolen' territories. Well, plucking the notion of 'multiculturalism' out of the air fitted the bill. Having suffered a first wave of mainly British immigrants these countries were now subjected to a new wave of migrants from all quarters in order to create an entirely new thing — the multiracial society. The poor old indigenes couldn't complain — to assert that they had a special position in the order of things by virtue of ancient possession would be racist. They were now just one component in an ever widening rainbow of nationalities making up the multiracial bio-experiment.

Me, I'm just a little old Brit (Scots origin) living in the island my ancestors have inhabited for thousands of years. I don't have moral qualms in protesting about yet another invasion whether it be by the sword, or come dressed up in deceitful ideology cobbled up in the 1960s. As for you, well from my perspective you're the receiver of stolen goods, so you're hardly a disinterested commentator. To be fair, the migrants to Australia, Canada and New Zealand took the opportunities that were open to them in imperial times and as independent nations they're entitled to choose their own destinies. But please don't come on here telling us in the UK that we're bound by some doubtful moral imperative that you've adopted in your country.
 
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