protesters burn us flag in london

[DisrupTor75]

in terms of deporting uk citizens. obviously you couldnt.

but why then why would someone in our country burn a flag of a country that shares similar values to the uk.

in fact why would they live in a country which has more in common with the US than any country with a muslim majority and then proceed to protest about it?

Their calls of "USA terrorists" are not without merit. Just look into some of the PMC's like Blackwater for some of the things they have done. or watch a movie like this

I posted this earlier in the week and it disturbed some people so if you are delicate and don't like being shocked then don't watch it. But suffice it to say the behavior of all the American troops can't be lumped in with the bad, many are honourable soldiers but there are also many bad ones.

 

[Amnesia]

but why then why would someone in our country burn a flag of a country that shares similar values to the uk.

in fact why would they live in a country which has more in common with the US than any country with a muslim majority and then proceed to protest about it?

To annoy YOU

 

[Vonhelmet]

Free speech goes too far - you shouldn't be allowed to get away with these things in public.

It would be a very dangerous precedent to set, to try to restrict this sort of free speech.

If they want to incite violence, then they shouldn't be allowed in the country.

They don't appear to be attempting to incite violence, though.

 

[RDM]

So if we go somewhere in the middle....now can you say roughly whats caused more deaths.
The sanctions
The bombings of infrastructure
The accidental bombings of civillians
The gun happy shoot any Iraqi

or

the suicide bombers who killed their own

Probably the sanctions (for which blame is much harder to attribute), however iraqi's killing their own beat all the other three added together. But it is OK, I understand that your own religous/political/ideological* views makes that truth hard to bear.

* Delete as applicable

You didn't need to, you still think taking out Saddam was worth the cost of possibly over 1 million Iraqi lives.

No I don't, I just don't think that removing Saddam was a bad thing, the way it was done was pretty appallingly handled though.

The sanctions which have cost the lives of 500,000 Iraqi children....how happy were you with them at a scale of 1 to 5.

1 = makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside
3 = they make you aroused
5 = you could get yourself off to them




(you dont need answer the last part...im kidding)

I am glad you find the death of so many amusing, I am assuming you put yourself down as a 5 as you are happy to make jokes about it?

 

[RDM]

Their calls of "USA terrorists" are not without merit. Just look into some of the PMC's like Blackwater for some of the things they have done. or watch a movie like this

It has about as much merit as calling all muslims terrorists surely?

 

[ubersonic]

They don't appear to be attempting to incite violence, though.

They were burning a US flag on September the 11th, if they were burning a union jack on remembrance day what would you think they were trying to do? O.o

 

[Gaygle]

What we need to stop doing is giving them the coverage they crave.

The media need to stop reporting on it and we need to stop talking about them. They should be treated with nothing more than a "lol chodes" and then forgotten about.

- They do not represent all Muslims
- They are just doing this to get coverage
- They are nut jobs
- They should be 100% ignored.

 

[Vonhelmet]

They were burning a US flag on September the 11th, if they were burning a union jack on remembrance day what would you think they were trying to do? O.o

As far as I'm aware, inciting violence means attempting to incite violence against another group. I can only assume you mean they were looking to start a fight, which would be attempting to incite violence against themselves. I'm not aware of that being an offence.

 

[Amnesia]

Considering most of the deaths have been at the hands of muslims surely they should be protesting in Iraq against the various militias and insurgent groups?

Iraqis bombed their own infrastructure ?
Put sanctions on themselves did they ?
Bombed themselves from the sky ?

Go have a look at the statistics. The majority of deaths in Iraq were at the hands of militia's and insurgents.

So if we go somewhere in the middle....now can you say roughly whats caused more deaths.
The sanctions
The bombings of infrastructure
The accidental bombings of civillians
The gun happy shoot any Iraqi

or

the suicide bombers who killed their own

Probably the sanctions

 

[RDM]

And Saddam is to blame for the sanctions. He was a Muslim ergo I was right!

 

[Amnesia]

Go have a look at the statistics. The majority of deaths in Iraq were at the hands of militia's and insurgents.

And Saddam is to blame for the sanctions. He was a Muslim ergo I was right!

So in your eyes Saddam was an insurgent who put sanctions on the country which he ruled.

 

[RDM]

To be perfectly honest my first statement was relating to the deaths during and after the invasion. As to who is to blame for the sanctions and the deaths they cause, then I would lay the majority of the blame onto Saddam and his government.

That clear enough for you now?

 

[Andy]

OP doesn't know what he's talking about.

 

[Amnesia]

LOL

 

[elrasho]

This is another reason why I hate Apple

 

[Lou]

The worse that can happen is Islam influencing politics, it's happening in other countries for example in Australia I think that Muslims who come into the country are allowed two wives. ( I can't recall if this is correct, it probably is not).
The figures speak for themselves, I think this is the third time I have mentioned it on here that it's around 62% of British Muslims believe that free speech should be limited to stop the criticism of religion and 50% believe that their wife should obey their orders. Why do we want these kind of people in our society? We are not talking about a minority of Muslims have these opinions, it's a majority.

The problem with your figures is that they really don't mean a lot. Unless every single Muslim in this country is questioned on their opinions, you can't really make the conclusion that it is 62% of British Muslims who believe that. It is 62% of the British Muslims who were questioned who believed that, and it is more than likely there was a certain agenda from the people asking the questions which may have influenced the Muslims they targeted.

I think you'd probably find a similar figure of Christians believing their wives should obey orders though. After all, it has only been fairly recently that "I promise to obey" has been taken out of a woman's wedding vows, and even then I believe this is removed upon the request of the woman.

From my experience of interactions with Muslims, I find it very much the same as interacting with any other group of people. Some aren't great, some are lovely, it's the way the world works.

The people involved in this flag burning are pathetic. They are not following Islam, and actually one of the main reasons for the enormous spread of this religion is because some people are actually taking the time to read the Qu'ran and learn about it and find that it does not preach hatred at all.

I wish people would only comment on Islam if they had checked the facts for themselves.

 

[Lou]

What we need to stop doing is giving them the coverage they crave.

The media need to stop reporting on it and we need to stop talking about them. They should be treated with nothing more than a "lol chodes" and then forgotten about.

- They do not represent all Muslims
- They are just doing this to get coverage
- They are nut jobs
- They should be 100% ignored.

Agreed!

It shocks me when I read seemingly left wing newspapers talking about Muslims as if they are all on the brink of extremism, and if we "upset them" they might resort to joining these vile groups.

It's ridiculous. I don't know why people can't learn from past mistakes. People in this world time and time again target a group of people, demonise them and turn as many people as they can against them. Years from now I'm sure people will feel shame for this behaviour in the same way people find it shameful the way women were treated in the past, and the way gay people were put in prison, and the way black people were made to become slaves.

Why do we never learn?! So many people believe that mankind is so advanced and intelligent, but humans are so backwards and stupid in so many ways.

 

[playworker]

Why do we never learn?! So many people believe that mankind is so advanced and intelligent, but humans are so backwards and stupid in so many ways.

Lack of understanding leads to irrational fear.

And as we all know, fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering

 

[Tefal]

What we need to stop doing is giving them the coverage they crave.

The media need to stop reporting on it and we need to stop talking about them. They should be treated with nothing more than a "lol chodes" and then forgotten about.

- They do not represent all Muslims
- They are just doing this to get coverage
- They are nut jobs
- They should be 100% ignored.

so what you want is for the media to start censoring the news?

 

[anything I don't mind]

Divide and conquer. Religious divisions and anguish is encouraged by the media and the government/intelligence/military establishment.