protesters burn us flag in london

[DisrupTor75]

But would we be allowed to do the same thing?

Allowed by whom? resistance to occupation as far as i know cannot be a controlled thing. You will always have the organized groups or cells yes but there will also be those that, for whatever reason. decide enough is enough and fight back with whatever means they have at their disposal.

Try and look at things from their point of view for a moment: If your whole family was murdered , your country occupied and in the process of being bled dry of rescourses with little to look forward to but anarchy and chaos would you not be out for blood?

These are things that we would no doubt feel if Britain was occupied by, for example, China, or Russia. If we experienced the same things the Iraqi's and Afghani's have we would not be so quick to condemn them out of hand.

 

[RDM]

exactly. You reap what you sow comes to mind here.

Considering most of the deaths have been at the hands of muslims surely they should be protesting in Iraq against the various militias and insurgent groups? Or does it not count when a muslim kills a muslim?

Isn't one man's terrorist another man's freedom fighter?

If this country was occupied would we not be doing the same?

To be honest I would hope that if this country was being occupied we would strike at the occupying force and the state supporting it rather than blowing up markets full of innocent people. I would also hope we wouldn't stoop to using children as suicide bombers.

 

[LoGaN_TnT]

A number of radical Islamic groups including Muslims Against Crusades (MAC) gathered outside the embassy on the tenth anniversary of the attacks. Multicultural britain

These are the same group of people that killed 3000 good hard working people.

 

[fieldy]

They should be allowed to hold whatever opinions they want however when they try to act on them in a way which is deemed violent or insightful of violence then they should be stopped (this goes for both MAC and EDL) what I saw yesterday was (as is often the case with extremist Muslims) timed and located to cause maximum offence to those affected and the public in general. Personally I would say that what they did was in sighting violence or more simply trying to provoke a violent reaction , it certainly was not what I'd call a peaceful protest as I would envisage.

On that thought if it were a group of extremist Christians at a Muslim funeral/ memorial protesting by burning flags where sharia law is in effect I would expect said Christians to be subject to summary execution without trial.

 

[Scougar]

Ahhh Muslims, such peaceful people.

A people? You could be a muslim, would you then be "one of those people?"

 

[Amnesia]

Considering most of the deaths have been at the hands of muslims

Iraqis bombed their own infrastructure ?
Put sanctions on themselves did they ?
Bombed themselves from the sky ?

Seems you're a little blind with your hate.

 

[RDM]

Iraqis bombed their own infrastructure ?
Put sanctions on themselves did they ?
Bombed themselves from the sky ?

Seems you're a little blind with your hate.

Go have a look at the statistics. The majority of deaths in Iraq were at the hands of militia's and insurgents. Nothing at all to do with hate, I hold no hate at all towards Iraq and whilst I think MAC are reactionary idiots my own personal political views would mean that I support their right to protest regardless of how hateful it is.

 

[i-bert]

I'm glad that these morons come out in public view. It makes our intelligence sevices job much easier.

 

[EdGey]

Allowed by whom? resistance to occupation as far as i know cannot be a controlled thing. You will always have the organized groups or cells yes but there will also be those that, for whatever reason. decide enough is enough and fight back with whatever means they have at their disposal.

Try and look at things from their point of view for a moment: If your whole family was murdered , your country occupied and in the process of being bled dry of rescourses with little to look forward to but anarchy and chaos would you not be out for blood?

These are things that we would no doubt feel if Britain was occupied by, for example, China, or Russia. If we experienced the same things the Iraqi's and Afghani's have we would not be so quick to condemn them out of hand.

I didn't read your earlier post properly before quoting you. I was still moping on about flags etc. Excuse my lack of attention.

 

[Amnesia]

Go have a look at the statistics. The majority of deaths in Iraq were at the hands of militia's and insurgents. Nothing at all to do with hate, I hold no hate at all towards Iraq and whilst I think MAC are reactionary idiots my own personal political views would mean that I support their right to protest regardless of how hateful it is.

Where is this statistic that shows how many deaths the sanctions have caused, the bombing of the infrastructure ?
You hold no hate for the Iraqi people but everything that is happening to them is for their own good regardless of how many die......Show me your posts that show so much concern for the deaths or the Iraqi people.

 

[MooMoo444]

Free speech goes too far - you shouldn't be allowed to get away with these things in public.

If they want to incite violence, then they shouldn't be allowed in the country.

 

[RDM]

Where is this statistic that shows how many deaths the sanctions have caused, the bombing of the infrastructure ?

Very hard to quantify, however the number of dead from suicide bombings is relatively easy to see, just check out IBC for instance. Most of the violent deaths happening in Iraq today and since the 2003 invasion have been due to "anti-government" forces. I use the term "anti-government" quite losely as it seems blowing up a car bomb in a crowded street market is part of the fight against the occupation.

You hold no hate for the Iraqi people but everything that is happening to them is for their own good regardless of how many die......Show me your posts that show so much concern for the deaths or the Iraqi people.

Have you run out of actual things to argue against so you are making stuff up? Where exactly did I say that it was for the Iraqi's own good? Whilst the removal of Saddam was no bad thing the post war planning (or lack of) was appalling and has led to so many deaths that could and should have been avoided. However the people doing the killing are mostly insurgents. Why is it so hard for you to realise the truth that most of the deaths in Iraq are muslims killing muslims?

 

[Amnesia]

Very hard to quantify, however the number of dead from suicide bombings is relatively easy to see, just check out IBC for instance. Most of the violent deaths happening in Iraq today and since the 2003 invasion have been due to "anti-government" forces. I use the term "anti-government" quite losely as it seems blowing up a car bomb in a crowded street market is part of the fight against the occupation.

Ok a quick google says 500,000 kids have died due to the sanctions.

Have you run out of actual things to argue against so you are making stuff up?

LOL

Where exactly did I say that it was for the Iraqi's own good? Whilst the removal of Saddam was no bad thing

I didnt say you copied those exact words did i ? would be a bit hard since i just posted them a few minutes ago.

 

[4p]

 

[Disco Boy]

Well I hate extremists as much as the next guy, but am I alone in thinking that I am not American (and thus don't worship the American flag like some sort of symbol) and so don't care if they burn the star spangled banner?

 

[RDM]

Ok a quick google says 500,000 kids have died due to the sanctions.

Sources vary from somewhere in the region of 170,000 to 1.7m. The upper end being the Iraqi government at the time. Putting the entire blame for all of the deaths for all of the nations that instigated sanctions is also a bit disengenious, especially considering the fact that even prior to sanctions infant mortality in Iraq was rising steadily and the Iraqi governments spending after the instigation of sanctions would have led to a large number of the deaths. Finally sanctions could have been lifted if Iraq had agreed to abide by the terms of the UN resolutions.

However if blaming the US and UK for all the deaths makes you feel better I suppose it is a much simpler viewpoint to take (though obviously grossly inaccurate).

I didnt say you copied those exact words did i ? would be a bit hard since i just posted them a few minutes ago.

I didn't even post anything remotely similar though did I?

 

[CaptainRAVE]

they all should be charged for inciting religious hatred, imprisoned and then deported imo.

Completely agree.

 

[RDM]

Completely agree.

If anything it would be racial hatred rather than religious. Though I am not sure if burning a flag is enough to be considered incitement to hatred. Of course to be totally fair, then burning a book shouldn't be considered as incitement to hatred either, but that is a different conversation.

 

[Nodiggidy123]

in terms of deporting uk citizens. obviously you couldnt.

but why then why would someone in our country burn a flag of a country that shares similar values to the uk.

in fact why would they live in a country which has more in common with the US than any country with a muslim majority and then proceed to protest about it?

 

[Amnesia]

Sources vary from somewhere in the region of 170,000 to 1.7m.

So if we go somewhere in the middle....now can you say roughly whats caused more deaths.
The sanctions
The bombings of infrastructure
The accidental bombings of civillians
The gun happy shoot any Iraqi

or

the suicide bombers who killed their own

I didn't even post anything remotely similar though did I?

You didn't need to, you still think taking out Saddam was worth the cost of possibly over 1 million Iraqi lives.

The sanctions which have cost the lives of 500,000 Iraqi children....how happy were you with them at a scale of 1 to 5.

1 = makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside
3 = they make you aroused
5 = you could get yourself off to them




(you dont need answer the last part...im kidding)