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[Hatter The Mad]

Einstein was very religious.

How religious?

It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.

[...] The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.

My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment.

 

[Dj_Jestar]

How religious?

Very.

"God," he says, "is a mystery. But a comprehensible mystery. I have nothing but awe when I observe the laws of nature. There are not laws without a lawgiver, but how does this lawgiver look? Certainly not like a man magnified."

from that wiki link, with citation:
^ Hermanns, William and Albert Einstein, Einstein and the poet: in search of the cosmic man, p. 60, Branden Books, 1983

 

[Tefal]

Not really, if God is on your side...

If they believe in God and heaven why didn't they object even if that meant being killed, they would all go to heaven after all, right?

you know he wasn't pope at the time right?

You expect a child to act on pure religious faith in the face of extreme reprisals?

heck most people who did that ended up as saints it's that rare....posthumously of course.

 

[kedge]

Atheism is a cop out, they just avoid the issues with their worldview, even though they like to wave the banner of science over their camp. lol, how blind can atheists be?. They (atheists) often spout derogatory remarks at creation/religion and how "all religious faith is blind" and yet their science does not solely rest upon " seen evidence" atheism also requires "faith".

Creation/ Religion = Intelligent Design
Evolution/Atheism = Blind Mindless Processes

 

[Hatter The Mad]

I don't mean extremist in that way. I mean total believers and followers of the church, rather than religious people who actually question debate and discus and change opinions. There are some very distinct groups.
Again just in all walks of life.
Take CT you have people who I'll follow what they are spoon fed and yet have others with far more sense and only follow certain aspects.

I get you know. You mean 'fundamental' rather than 'extreme', I guess? In which case, most of them are far from fundamental (my mother, for example, calls herself a Catholic but does not believe in transubstantiation, or even the persecution of homosexuals etc).

 

[craptakular]

you know he wasn't pope at the time right?

You expect a child to act on pure religious faith in the face of extreme reprisals?

heck most people who did that ended up as saints it's that rare....posthumously of course.

Yes, if you believe in God and all that, why would you join a hate group? Wouldn't defiance be better?

How is the Pope going to get in heaven now?

 

[Tefal]

Atheism is a cop out, they just avoid the issues with their worldview, even though they like to wave the banner of science over their camp. lol, how blind can atheists be?. They (atheists) often spout derogatory remarks at creation/religion and how "all religious faith is blind" and yet their science does not solely rest upon " seen evidence" atheism also requires "faith".

Creation/ Religion = Intelligent Design
Evolution/Atheism = Blind Mindless Processes

Atheism does not require science.

Science does not require atheism.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

from that wiki link, with citation:
^ Hermanns, William and Albert Einstein, Einstein and the poet: in search of the cosmic man, p. 60, Branden Books, 1983

I also took my quotations from your Wiki page, all of them have citations. I think it clearly shows he was not religious in the common sense:

'religious':
- Believing in and worshiping a superhuman controlling power or powers, esp. a personal God or gods

- (of a belief or practice) Forming part of someone's thought about or worship of a divine being

etc

 

[Dj_Jestar]

I also took my quotations from your Wiki page, all of them have citations. I think it clearly shows he was not religious in the common sense:

'religious':
- Believing in and worshiping a superhuman controlling power or powers, esp. a personal God or gods

- (of a belief or practice) Forming part of someone's thought about or worship of a divine being

etc

So despite him worshipping a "cosmic man" (that's a quotation from Einstein himself, btw) that governed the laws of the universe and nature, he's not religious? Sorry he doesn't fit your bill of "religious" but he most certainly was religious.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

Atheism is a cop out, they just avoid the issues with their worldview, even though they like to wave the banner of science over their camp. lol, how blind can atheists be?. They (atheists) often spout derogatory remarks at creation/religion and how "all religious faith is blind" and yet their science does not solely rest upon " seen evidence" atheism also requires "faith".

Creation/ Religion = Intelligent Design
Evolution/Atheism = Blind Mindless Processes

You're an atheist too (we all are in one sense or another, unless you're a nutjob).

atheism also requires "faith".

You misunderstand atheism. If atheism needs faith or a belief system, then not collecting stamps is a hobby.

 

[Tefal]

Yes, if you believe in God and all that, why would you join a hate group? Wouldn't defiance be better?

How is the Pope going to get in heaven now?

**** me you believe all religious people fearless an a child should have sood befre malia's and soilers an face eah?

ok an my key has ie (he one between s an f)


maybe he wasn' even ha song in his faith hen.

he amn key is going oo (one beween r an y) wf is wrong wih my keyboar :/

people are weak an hey make mistakes, prey sure Christianity is big on forgiveness

:/


brb going o smash keyboar.

 

[RomanNose]

Atheism is a cop out, they just avoid the issues with their worldview, even though they like to wave the banner of science over their camp. lol, how blind can atheists be?. They (atheists) often spout derogatory remarks at creation/religion and how "all religious faith is blind" and yet their science does not solely rest upon " seen evidence" atheism also requires "faith".

Creation/ Religion = Intelligent Design
Evolution/Atheism = Blind Mindless Processes

You must be a troll, you can't actually be serious can you?
Anyone got any eye bleach?

 

[Glaucus]

You misunderstand atheism. If atheism needs faith or a belief system, then not collecting stamps is a hobby.

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It depends what definition of atheism you have.

Most people's views of atheism certainly do need faith. Anyone who tries to use science to prove atheism, certainly falls into the faith column.

 

[wannabedamned]

I have no problem with Christianity as a faith, However these 2 videos definitely sum up my feelings towards the wealthy, bigoted and narrowminded backbone to the whole faith.

 

[Tefal]

o carry his heme (if someone coul a he missing leers back o his pos i' appreciate i)


ake a goo man, somone you know o be very goo an is an ahis, ake a gun an poin i a his family, I be you can make him o some errible hings o oher people wih ha hrea.




ye his is exuse by you bu a religious man shoul know no such fear?

 

[RomanNose]

It depends what definition of atheism you have.

Most people's views of atheism certainly do need faith. Anyone who tries to use science to prove atheism, certainly falls into the faith column.

You are right, positive atheism is a bit on the faith side compared to negative atheism. I don't know many positive atheists and I think it can be safely assured that he meant negative atheists.

 

[Rroff]

^^ Acessories->system tools->character map or Acessories->accessability->on screen keyboard

 

[Glaucus]

You are right, positive atheism is a bit on the faith side compared to negative atheism. I don't know many positive atheists and I think it can be safely assured that he meant negative atheists.

I would say it is the other way around, almost all atheists I know(and same goes for this forum) try to use science for their faith. It is a total and utter abuse of science and at least religion understands what they are Faith.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

It depends what definition of atheism you have.

Most people's views of atheism certainly do need faith. Anyone who tries to use science to prove atheism, certainly falls into the faith column.

True. I am an atheist in the broad sense, like most atheists are: 'Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.' (Wikipedia).

It would take faith to be an atheist in the narrow sense, where you believe there are no deities. In my opinion this would be as wrong as someone who has faith that there is a deity.

 

[StriderX]

Frankly i am my own believer, i don't like being associated with things that most others do, it creates unneeded tension and pointless discussion.

Its better for me to have my own anyway, makes it more interesting than simply being forced into something or being lazy with your thoughts and never thinking about it.

Unfortunately the problem is that it inevitably becomes complex, a problem for the massive amount of convenience lovers out there.