Is going to uni worth it ?

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mglover070588 said:
Most students are wasters. How did I contradict myself?
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Most people do STEM degrees by stats(Actually true), you said obtaining a first is difficult, stressful acheivement in engineering. Most people obtain 2:1, and most people do science degrees.

What I think you are seeing is the highly visible "cool" students, when most are pretty boring people, like in real life really. We all hear about celebrities, but for most people its a slow mundane grity life. Its really sad, its hypes people up for a real let down.

I went to a crap university(BSc), pretty good university(MSc), and now a top 10 university(Ph.D). Every time I was in the top of the class.
 
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UK-AL05 said:
Most people do STEM degrees by stats(Actually true), you said obtaining a first is difficult, stressful acheivement in engineering. Most people obtain 2:1, and most people do science degrees.

What I think you are seeing is the highly visible "cool" students, when most are pretty boring people.

I went crap university, pretty good university, and now a top 10 university. Every time I was top of the class.
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Where did you get these stats from? I am curious as my google fu is failing.
 
UK-AL05 said:
Most people do STEM degrees by stats(Actually true), you said obtaining a first is difficult, stressful acheivement in engineering. Most people obtain 2:1, and most people do science degrees.

What I think you are seeing is the highly visible "cool" students, when most are pretty boring people.
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Doing maths at Sheffield Hallam still counts as maths on the stats.

It doesn't mean it is of any difficulty though (my cousin is doing it and he is thick as pig **** and got 78% in first year).
 
tron said:
I can understand why doctors,dentists,surgeon,engineer etc that kind specialist job requires degrees but if your not aiming that high ie being a brain surgeon etc, are degrees worth the debt and time ?
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With that attitude you might as-well just quit life now.
 
Emphacy said:
BS degrees like art, english literature and the likes is going to get you a lot of fun, but at the end of it you'll be working in ASDA like a lot of daft students who cant get a job because they did a BS degree.
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Well I knew a girl who was in my 6th form that did art, and is now a director at BBC so ....
 
mglover070588 said:
Most students are wasters. How did I contradict myself?
I have been at a top Uni now for a fair while and even at the best place in the UK for Sports Science, they still have absolutely no idea what hard work is.

Going to a crap University just means you beat everyone else who isn't very clever. Kind of like winning the special needs 100m run.
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Touchy!
 
Universities bring out so much egotism.

"My university is better than your university"
"Everybody's a waster at university, but I had to work hard for my degree"
blah
blah
blah
etc

All designed to protect ones own ego.
 
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chaosdestro0 said:
Right.
You do understand that argument is about as poor as saying " Don't do engineering as my mate did engineering and is now dead".
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Death is inevitable. Becoming director at the BBC isn't. I think the fact that she got that position despite doing something like art proves that not all people who do those "pointless" degrees will waste their remaining working years serving burgers.

Edit: And no, I'm not planning on doing anything like art before you tell me that's the only reason I'm sticking up for it. :p
 
G-MAN2004 said:
Death is inevitable. Becoming director at the BBC isn't. I think the fact that she got that position despite doing something like art proves that not all people who do those "pointless" degrees will waste their remaining working years serving burgers.
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You know what I meant. You may say that but I can't think of any reason why she would not be able to get that position if she didn't go to University. What do they do in "Art" that will help you as a Director?
 
chaosdestro0 said:
You know what I meant. You may say that but I can't think of any reason why she would not be able to get that position if she didn't go to University. What do they do in "Art" that will help you as a Director?
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Creative Directors. Yes there are such things.

Since BBC is a media organisation, I guess one does exist. Whether she actually is a creative director though...

Creative Directors in advertising agencies, earn barrows of money.
 
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chaosdestro0 said:
You know what I meant. You may say that but I can't think of any reason why she would not be able to get that position if she didn't go to University. What do they do in "Art" that will help you as a Director?
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She might have decided to study for a degree solely because she wanted to increase her knowledge in a subject she feels passionate about.
 
For me no. I went to the University of Manchester (and dropped out before the end of the first year) to study German and Business & Management. I have never known what I want to do with my life so I went to do what I enjoyed (business) and to better my German because I was born there. How ever the course structure just really wasn't for me, I couldn't of even passed first year if i'd stayed because I did not go to quite a few lectures simply because I had no interest in them at all, things like literature, history etc. Since dropping out I have not got a yearly summer job diving in Greece from which I get enough money from so that I can travel and chill out the rest of the year. Yes, all my friends are very envious of me :D Oh and I only dropped out early this year.
 
If you're passionate about something and there is no other way of doing it outside of uni then yes it is worth it.

Doing something like photography or golf management at uni is a waste of time.
 
tron said:
I read loads of threads about people saying its the "best time of your life" and a party all the way etc and its gonna secure a high paying job at the end of it but will it in the majority of students ?
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It doesn't guarantee you a high paying job but then again it usually doesn't hurt your chances. Whether you do get a high paying job (assuming that's a goal of the person) depends also on application, ability and probably a little bit of luck in terms of being in the right place at the right time.

tron said:
I can understand why doctors,dentists,surgeon,engineer etc that kind specialist job requires degrees but if your not aiming that high ie being a brain surgeon etc, are degrees worth the debt and time ? are they not just a status thing like "ohh i have a degree on my cv im gonna standout from the rest of the flock" etc ?
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It depends what you want from a degree, for some people it's absolutely worth it despite not embarking on a career that you think is suitably high flying. For others it won't be worthwhile, to generalise about such disparate motivations isn't liable to lead you to any useful conclusions. Personally I found it worthwhile going to university although I'm not in a field directly related to what I qualified in, I got to study a subject I was (and am) interested in but I realised before too long that I didn't want to practice it so that in itself is valuable, I managed to work out something I didn't want to do. I've got some great friends and some fantastic experiences from university, maybe I'd have had equally good results from not going to university but overall I'm pretty happy with the choices I've made so far.

tron said:
Can you be successful ie have a higher than average salary without having spent years and a lot of money getting degrees ?
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Of course you can, a degree isn't a magic ticket to high earnings and not having one isn't a insurmountable obstacle to high earnings. However it is dependent on you and what you do.
 
UK-AL05 said:
Universities bring out so much egotism.

"My university is better than your university"
"Everybody's a waster at university, but I had to work hard for my degree"
blah
blah
blah
etc

All designed to protect ones own ego.
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Sounds like you studied a pile of crap with comments like that.
My degree swallowed my life towards the end and the ease of job offers in the field of my course has lived exactly up to my expectations.

Engineering is extremely difficult but has more jobs than graduates.
Source: http://www.techradar.com/news/world-of-tech/dyson-uk-must-start-producing-more-engineers-949239
 
mglover070588 said:
Sounds like you studied a pile of crap with comments like that.
My degree swallowed my life towards the end and the ease of job offers in the field of my course has lived exactly up to my expectations.

Engineering is extremely difficult but has more jobs than graduates.
Source: http://www.techradar.com/news/world-of-tech/dyson-uk-must-start-producing-more-engineers-949239
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What the hell? I studied computer science, I'm Ph.D A.I candidate from a top 10 university . I come from family mostly composed of engineers. My dad is a mechanical engineer, my brother is an electronic engineer.

What I hate is most of people on this forum are egoistic. They deem themselves better than someone who went to a university 10 places down, or crapping on humanities. Really what they are doing is self-justifying own choice, then mocking someone elses choice. It really is a Superiority complex.

If someone wants to study art. SCREW YOU, ITS THEIR CHOICE. Its an independent choice, not collective. Don't go around making them feel like crap. Intelligence often implies ability to place yourself in someone elses shoes. If there anything like me they would have studied there favourite subject anyway, but don't make them feel guilty or gutter of humanity for choosing art, its possibly there dream, tread softly.

Now place yourself, in there shoes. You've been practising art since you were 10, you have mastered painting at a relativity young age. You display almost savant like skills, but you aren't really that good at anything else, perhaps you can't get good grades at anything else, maybe your time is completely consumed by it which why you are at a lower university. You could never really imagine doing anything else, its there life with a strong emotional connection.

Then you see idiot on forum going "ARTZ FOR TARDZ LOL LOL LOL, GET A TRADE!!! JOIN THE ARMY!!!!".

Yeah I'd want to hurt them to. You are essentially denying them there talent.

Talent that might end up making them very successful or with a company like saatchi and saatchi, as a director. While your choice will end up with them being well off, but nothing special plumber. I'd like to see the midlife crisis from that one!

I didn't choose computer science, because its hard. I choose because I love it, its the same with other members of the family. Did you simply choose engineering for financial gain? Which is odd, since most boys really enjoy engineering. I do.
 
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