Dale Farm Cleared Tomorrow?

Danthus · 19 Sep 2011 at 12:29

[TW]Fox;20102795 said:
Why are we still calling them travellers when its quite clear they are not?

Because if I call them thieving gypsy scum people will not like me?

But on the eve of the adjudicator's arrival, some travelers moved into Calahoo Park, and before you could say gypsy scum we were knee deep in dog muck, thieving kids and crusty jugglers.

Danthus · 19 Sep 2011 at 12:30

Abraham said:
Hmmm, may not have been an appeal hearing, but a scheduled meeting with the council, it was on the bbc page but as they're updating the one page rather than creating new ones both that and mention of the press conference have now gone.

It was a phone call to the council, nothing more, nothing less.

Mucky_Pup · 19 Sep 2011 at 12:31

simulatorman said:
The council made on offer to accommodate the travellers, travellers tried to delay until November and now the eviction is to go ahead.

Funny how they've all been offered accomodation from the council, but none have accepted, and at any oppurtunity are now harping on about after they're evicted they'll be homeless. Utter balls.

Naff8000 · 19 Sep 2011 at 12:31

I expect the vast majority of UK citizens want to see them removed (maybe in an entertaining way) but they can't go down and show support for the law since they have jobs.

Cuchulain · 19 Sep 2011 at 12:32

Forde said:
What a massive waste of taxpayer's money. I really feel for the law-abiding citizens around Dale Farm that have had to put up with it all for years and years.

Send 'em all back to Ireland, to be honest.

Even the English and Romanian ones?

Castiel · 19 Sep 2011 at 12:36

Cuchulain said:
Even the English and Romanian ones?

These are Irish Travellers, not Romany Gypsies. Whether there are any English among them or not who can say, but Romany and Traveller rarely if ever mix, in fact the Irish Travellers are pretty unwelcoming to anyone not of their blood.

Cosimo · 19 Sep 2011 at 12:38

Cuchulain said:
Even the English and Romanian ones?

Why not. It's a nice place for a holiday but they might not like the benefits.

PMKeates · 19 Sep 2011 at 12:39

I'm not sure why there's so much enthusiasm for their eviction. The whole thing is just a lose situation.

Danthus · 19 Sep 2011 at 12:40

PMKeates said:
I'm not sure why there's so much enthusiasm for their eviction. The whole thing is just a lose situation.

What about the irony of the court action, only to ignore rulings that do not go your way?

PMKeates · 19 Sep 2011 at 12:42

OldCoals said:
What about the irony of the court action, only to ignore rulings that do not go your way?

What about it? I'm not sure what relevance it has to my statement. How does it make it a great moment in any way?

[TW]Fox · 19 Sep 2011 at 12:42

PMKeates said:
I'm not sure why there's so much enthusiasm for their eviction. The whole thing is just a lose situation.

If they are allowed to stay then there will be absolutely no fair or just way to prevent, say, yourself from deciding to build whatever you choose in your back garden irrespective of planning permission.

Before you state that that seems fair, given its your garden, imagine what would happen if everyone was allowed to just build unlimited numbers of dwellings anywhere they want?

Danthus · 19 Sep 2011 at 12:44

[TW]Fox;20102928 said:
If they are allowed to stay then there will be absolutely no fair or just way to prevent, say, yourself from deciding to build whatever you choose in your back garden irrespective of planning permission.

Before you state that that seems fair, given its your garden, imagine what would happen if everyone was allowed to just build unlimited numbers of dwellings anywhere they want?

..............and before you could say gypsy scum we were knee deep in dog muck, thieving kids and crusty jugglers

??

PMKeates · 19 Sep 2011 at 12:45

I still don't see why we should be viewing this eviction with such spasmodic enthusiasm, as if it's the space launch or something really great. It's a totally rubbish situation for everyone involved, and the actions that are about to be taken will do nothing other than enforce planning law this one time.

Castiel · 19 Sep 2011 at 12:50

PMKeates said:
I still don't see why we should be viewing this eviction with such spasmodic enthusiasm, as if it's the space launch or something really great. It's a totally rubbish situation for everyone involved, and the actions that are about to be taken will do nothing other than enforce planning law this one time.

And if they do not it will encourage similar sites and undermine civil authority.

It may be a tragic situation, but it is one they bought upon themselves.

Al Vallario · 19 Sep 2011 at 12:50

Danthus · 19 Sep 2011 at 12:51

If they drive off, will the Police have ANPR vehicles nearby?

Eddie182 · 19 Sep 2011 at 12:52

Good. If they want rights then they can live in proper homes, pay taxes, behave like decent human beings and generally act as if they deserve the same rights as the rest of us.

It's about time these Caravan Utilising Nomadic Traveller Societies were delt with.

seandog · 19 Sep 2011 at 12:53

Eddie182 said:
Good. If they want rights then they can live in proper homes, pay taxes, behave like decent human beings and generally act as if they deserve the same rights as the rest of us.

It's about time these Caravan Utilising Nomadic Traveller Societies were delt with.

I see what you did there

SickAsAParrot · 19 Sep 2011 at 12:54

I dont have a TV at work, does it look like Hawaii out of 2012 yet?

PMKeates · 19 Sep 2011 at 12:55

Castiel said:
And if they do not it will encourage similar sites and undermine civil authority.

It may be a tragic situation, but it is one they bought upon themselves.

I'm not debating that's the case, but I really struggle to feel good about it. Many people seem to be eliciting some kind of pleasure from what's effectively some kind of small-scale civil war with our society pitted against theirs, and one I have a sense will end badly, yet not at all solve any of the underlying problems.

Eddie182 said:
Good. If they want rights then they can live in proper homes, pay taxes, behave like decent human beings and generally act as if they deserve the same rights as the rest of us.

It's about time these Caravan Utilising Nomadic Traveller Societies were delt with.

This is sort of what I think is a bit wrong. Dehumanisation, denial of rights. Great. I think people should try to remember this is a planning rights violation and not an opportunity for some kind of cleansing.