RIP to him then. I hope he was guilty.
This is exactly why the death penalty is a bad thing...
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RIP to him then. I hope he was guilty.
For me, this doesn't mean the death penalty is bad. It just means the method of implementation is far from perfect.
It'll never be perfect because there's too many variables to add in etc, but it could be better than what is described here.
If any of it is true, then even I as a supporter of the death penalty would say this deserves a stay and so he shouldnt be executed.
It'll never be perfect because there's too many variables to add in etc, but it could be better than what is described here.
If any of it is true, then even I as a supporter of the death penalty would say this deserves a stay and so he shouldnt be executed.
Not at all. But there are some views which I hold strongly, and one of them is this. And I find the notion of being pro-death penalty to be idiotic.
On the contrary, Mr. Fishfinger, many of those who support the death penalty are thinking with the abundance of emotion. You often see people on here, to cite a small example, when hearing tragic news raising their pitchforks in anger demanding blood, torture and death.
I'm not some pussy-footed pansy wanting to look after our precious criminality, rather I feel that not only is it important to spend more time and resources understanding and tackling the causes of crime, helping those who have offended repay their debt in actual terms (through rehabilitation and perhaps work if successful) where possible and finally I do not like the idea of legalised state-sponsored executions. Add into that the almost certainty that an innocent person will die for no crime, which is unacceptable, I like to think we can rise above the need to just slaughter our own when they become wayward.
And your ridiculous statement about maths actually being used to decide life or death is just that, ridiculous.
I have always found the words and actions of some of the people the United States most venerates at odds with the United States actions themselves.
Sometimes it is necessary or unavoidable to take a life, however this is never the case in a court of law, when the alternative of the removal of liberty is always an available and viable option.
There are questions over the guilt of this Man, that is plain from the court transcripts and the retraction of several witness statements. This is enough, in my opinion, to halt any permanent punishment. You can't free or apologise to a dead man.
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Ridiculous decision. I bet it was actually Coles who committed the murder.
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Must be election time.
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There is no emotion, my pro-death penalty stance is based on pure logic. These people should not be in society and therefore should be killed.
If you look closely the people " raising their pitchforks in anger demanding blood, torture and death" are bipolar, or maybe that's not the correct term, what i mean is they switch between these two views a lot, based on their emotion and their opinions. i.e. being massively pro-animal rights, than raging massively when a woman throws a cat in a bin!
I don't think rehabilitation is effective at all, i cannot ever be rehabilitated, i dont understand why people would ever feel sorry for their victims etc, these people simply have a mental disorder. As for the causes of crime, people make their own choices and they pay the consequences.
As for innocent people dying, this is just collateral damage, nothing is ever perfect, nor can it ever be perfect, you have to choose the best option.
There is a level even for you, at which you will sacrifice an innocent person for the greater good?
All in all, if someone broke into your home and murdered you family, you would still hold the opinion to try and rehabilitate them?
I have a bone to pick with people that say things like that. Given that I completely disagree with the death penalty and would therefore use whatever tools I have to beat you in an argument on the subject, I can't help but take issue when somebody says they have reached their point of view based on logic. I feel compelled to ask (and please feel free to make me look like a complete fool here), how familiar are you with the study of logic? Have you studied it? Have you read any books on it? Anything? I only ask, because that's precisely what I am doing, and I am very careful about tossing the term around in a casual debate.
/Douche
I used to be pro death penalty in my younger years, but as I've grown a bit older and (subjectively) wiser, I've changed my opinion considerably. Kwerk, your ability to never fail to amuse/facepalm is one thing, but of late I have seriously worried about your state of mind. Alas, that is not the topic in hand.
I genuinely feel for the guy concerned, as not only was the original evidence countermanded but it appears corruption was a factor in the conviction as well. How the appeals court can reject his plea is mind-boggling. So many witnesses recanting statements, allegations of duress for statements, and no physical evidence... and yet tonight he'll die. Just, no. :/
I genuinely feel for the guy concerned, as not only was the original evidence countermanded but it appears corruption was a factor in the conviction as well. How the appeals court can reject his plea is mind-boggling. So many witnesses recanting statements, allegations of duress for statements, and no physical evidence... and yet tonight he'll die. Just, no. :/
Is it really a big worry? 250 new lives will be made in the minute after his death, small loss.
Go send your money to Africa etc if you are really that humanitarian where kids are dying by the bucket load.
Life is unfair, we have no control over it unless you have deep pockets.
Go send your money to Africa etc if you are really that humanitarian where kids are dying by the bucket load.
Life is unfair, we have no control over it unless you have deep pockets.
And the most ridiculous post of the week goes to...
This is very odd indeed, considering it actually seems more likely that Coles did it.
He's right and wrong.
One life in the grand scales is nothiing, but it's not the life its the hipocrasy. If one person can be badly judged then we all can. This is wrong.
He's also wrong that we don't have control over this death, we do.
He's right and wrong.
One life in the grand scales is nothiing, but it's not the life its the hipocrasy. If one person can be badly judged then we all can. This is wrong.
He's also wrong that we don't have control over this death, we do.
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I hardly see how. In the grand scheme of things one life is quite insignificant. If you think anything other than that then you are deluded.
People die every day for stupid reasons, just because this gets media coverage you feel the need to argue for it?
Your right, people do die, but they die because of things that can't be helped or murder.
What your missing is this injustice (go look the word up)
This is not about a solitary death, its about why his life should not be taken without proof, it's basically govermental murder.
Please tell me you understand why thats a bad thing?
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I bet most of that money goes straight into the hands of the various warlords of the African countries.
Not like anything like that has happened recently...
Libya
Yemen
Egypt
Syria
Would be silly to say I didn't understand. The question is, what do you think caring about it will achieve? Who is going to listen to your little voice when you are in no position of power.
This is why I get on with my life and forget about such things.
I bet most of that money goes straight into the hands of the various warlords of the African countries.
Couldn't agree more in regards to that. Bill gates foundation is doing decent work there though, at least it isn't just sent and not checked up on.
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