This is exactly why the death penalty is a bad thing...

platinum87 said:
As for innocent people dying, this is just collateral damage, nothing is ever perfect, nor can it ever be perfect, you have to choose the best option.
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The best option would be to remove the persons liberty indefinitely, that way the chances of collateral damage are negated and if they are truly guilty they're also punished.

Logically if you look at the options available to a court and the consequences of each of those options, capital punishment is actually the least logical as it equates to revenge rather than justice, it doesn't allow for human error or for remorse or apology. Capital punishment doesn't offer anything that indefinite incarceration does not, even the costs are comparable.

So why would you logically take another life in revenge of another at the risk of it being the loss of two innocent lives instead of one? Where is the logic in that?
 
@rexehuk

I'm not having a go at you, I agree with you.
Those governments have murder their civilians, that's why there is an outrage there and rebellion.

I also understand you can see that nothing you do counts for anything, the only way I can describe why a singular voice en mass becomes useful is this
First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.​
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If enough people are outraged at this, then things might change, but if we all think, bah get on with our lifes, who to say that you wont be next? (except for the obvious fact you dont live in the USA, but I hope you see the point I'm making)



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CmJared said:
Everyone's against the death penalty until someone you love becomes the victim then it's off with their head.
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I know what you mean.

I bet the majority of anti-death penalty people in here would soon change their tune if it was their loved one that was murdered.

Anyway, it's not the law here, nor will it ever be, so it's not really worth worrying about either way.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
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Pfft, they can have the trade unionists. :p
 
Well it's gone past 7pm, he's probably been injected by now.

Robbo said:
I bet the majority of anti-death penalty people in here would soon change their tune if it was their loved one that was murdered.
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But if that happened you wouldn't be thinking rationally. Family members of victims have been known to do irrational things to the perpetrator through revenge. Something they ordinary wouldn't do.
 
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Rainmaker said:
I used to be pro death penalty in my younger years
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That is the most surprising thing I have heard in this thread. Even with my background I have never actually supported the death penalty in civilian justice systems even when I was younger and significantly less prone to thinking of the consequences of such things.

It just seems that the chances of getting it wrong are too great and the irreversibility of the action when there are viable and equally effective alternatives means that the death penalty appears more about state sponsored revenge than state administered justice.
 
CmJared said:
Everyone's against the death penalty until someone you love becomes the victim then it's off with their head.
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All the more weight to the argument that capital punishment is revenge rather than justice. The law is meant to be blind for a reason. As Castiel said, at least with indefinite detention there's always the possibility of rehabilitation or vindication with new evidence and techniques. Capital punishment is rather too final for that. What use is being proven innocent if you were electrocuted twenty years ago?
 
Longbow said:
Well it's gone past 7pm, he's probably been injected by now.
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Cell has probably been filled by another random black man brought in for being in the street after picking up some groceries they assumed he stole.

Was it televised? Or is that just the high profile ones these days?
 
Rainmaker said:
All the more weight to the argument that capital punishment is revenge rather than justice. The law is meant to be blind for a reason. As Castiel said, at least with indefinite detention there's always the possibility of rehabilitation or vindication with new evidence and techniques. Capital punishment is rather too final for that. What use is being proven innocent if you were electrocuted twenty years ago?
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Vindication, fair enough. Rehabilitation, no.
 
Castiel said:
That is the most surprising thing I have heard in this thread. Even with my background I have never actually supported the death penalty in civilian justice systems even when I was younger and significantly less prone to thinking of the consequences of such things.

It just seems that the chances of getting it wrong are too great and the irreversibility of the action when there are viable and equally effective alternatives means that the death penalty appears more about state sponsored revenge than state administered justice.
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It was more a product of my upbringing rather than my thought process. As I said once I was old enough to think for myself I soon realised it was no good thing. One has to account for the fact I'm still 'only' 29 when I refer to my 'younger years'. :p
 
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