Honda plans new Civic Type R

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- Hot Civic being mulled
-New hot hatch will need at least 250bhp
- Engine may be turbocharged


Honda says it's looking at building a 'sporty variant' of the new Civic. The Japanese manufacturer refused to confirm that the hot version - which will probably go on sale in around 18 months - will carry the Type R badge, although it would be a major surprise if it didn't.

Civic development leader Mitsuru Kariya told What Car? the new 'Type R' will need at least 250bhp to compete with rivals such as the Renault Megane 250 Cup and the new Ford Focus ST.

That means Honda will need to develop a new engine for the hot Civic, and it confirmed that it's looking at the possibility of a turbocharging - a first for a performance Honda. Kariya was quick to point out that no decision has yet been made on this, and that a naturally aspirated engine may yet feature.

As for the design, Civic design supervisor Daisuke Sawai said he'd like to make something aggressively styled like the old Type R, to 'express the car's sporty aspects'.
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http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/honda-plans-new-civic-type-r/259180

PLEASE be N/A and good
 
Slackjaw190 said:
Kariya was quick to point out that no decision has yet been made on this, and that a naturally aspirated engine may yet feature.
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I'd be happy with a supercharged engine if it makes getting that much power easier while still catering to the eco police, just hope they can keep away from turbos if they can help it.
 
IAmATeaf said:
Turbo vs Supercharger for eco, doesn't turbo always win?
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I believe they do indeed, but not everyone wants the power delivery of a turbo charged engine. So if they could achieve the same power with similar, if slightly worse eco credentials i know where i'd be spending my money.
 
Who cares about the engine, maybe this time they might remember to actually put suspension in the car rather than using solid steel girders?
 
Vtec Turbo charged, maybe a 1.5 that revs to 8k with a turbo. Turbo could help low down the rev range *cough* torque *cough*.
 
I could see them going for a low capacity engine 1.4-1.6 with a turbo just to show off their awesomeness at making engines, hit emissions targets and offer lower running costs than the rivals.

If they need to hit 250 and are thinking turbo, I imagine the new civic is going to be a tad lardy. Perhaps they have reached the limit where their NA engines hit the right balance of weight vs performance vs engine characteristics, i.e. the lower torque when compared to the turbo rivals has finally become a notable issue.

Potential for instant success.
 
mrk1@1 said:
If they need to hit 250 and are thinking turbo, I imagine the new civic is going to be a tad lardy.
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How so? They only reason they want 250 BHP is to match the rivals, they'll have to use a turbo?

The current engine makes 200BHP from 2.0litres. 250BHP is a bit much from that size NA surely?
 
Longbow said:
How so? They only reason they want 250 BHP is to match the rivals, they'll have to use a turbo?

The current engine makes 200BHP from 2.0litres. 250BHP is a bit much from that size NA surely?
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well performance wise @ 200bhp the current civic type r is not that far off the pace of the more powerful rivals, a 20bhp tweek would easily put it in a stronger position

if they feel the need to go to 250bhp then it won't just be about a power figure, the civic type r has been down on power output compared to its rivals for a number of years and that hasn't worried them and it has suited the uk market and road conditions. the ctr has had circa 200bhp in the uk for the last 9? Years.

cars are increasing in weight and the vtec yo engine benefits from a lighter chassis. it has a reasonable torque curve but cannot compete with the characteristics of the turbo'd alternatives. as weight, economy and emissions become highly prevalent considerations, honda have the potential to tick all the right boxes.

they already have NA engines which could make a higher power output, but this may not be sufficient to give the sort of driving experience people expect from these in the new civic
 
The f20C develops 230-240 stock depending and with inhouse N/A development on that platform it could see 250.

I still don't think 250 is enough in a hot hatch these days though, unless it weighs as much as a sheet of A4 paper the turbo nutter hatches are laying down 250 minimum. I say put a highly tuned N/A NSX engine in it :D
 
Sin_Chase said:
The f20C develops 230-240 stock depending and with inhouse N/A development on that platform it could see 250.

I still don't think 250 is enough in a hot hatch these days though, unless it weighs as much as a sheet of A4 paper the turbo nutter hatches are laying down 250 minimum. I say put a highly tuned N/A NSX engine in it :D
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Old crx with the nsx motor in the back, now we talking.
 
Civic development leader Mitsuru Kariya told What Car? the new 'Type R' will need at least 250bhp to compete with rivals such as the Renault Megane 250 Cup and the new Ford Focus ST.
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as if they really did say that...
 
There's tons of n/a K20's out there with aggressive cams making 285-290bhp with no change in emmissions because the normal cam lobes remain stock profiled.

I don't see why Honda would need to go FI. Firstly it's against the Type R tradition and secondly it's downright lazy. They'll only do it if they start fretting about CO2's.
 
merlin said:
I don't see why Honda would need to go FI. Firstly it's against the Type R tradition and secondly it's downright lazy. They'll only do it if they start fretting about CO2's.
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It was also against the ethos of BMW ///M cars, now look at them :(
 
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