Not again, time to increase the police presence on our streets.

Castiel

Castiel

Castiel

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-15124784

A teenager holding her 11-month-old son was injured when she came under fire from a shotgun as she chatted to two friends in west London.

Jessica Chrichlow, 18, was taken to hospital with the two others, aged 17 and 19, after the attack in John Fearon Walk, near Queen's Park, on Thursday.

Det Ch Insp Mick Foote said the baby was unhurt but the teenagers were struck by shotgun pellets.

The gunman joined three other men and all four fled on bicycles, he said.

No arrests have been made over the attack.
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This is becoming too common an occurrence on our streets these days, even where I live in the affluent rural area of South Wiltshire we have seen an increase in stabbings and violence.

Is it time we took a leaf out of the book of the NY mayors office and increased the Police presence and a zero tolerance policy to crime.

Under Rudy Guiliani, New York clamped down on small crimes such as drinking on the streets, petty crime, anti social behaviour and so on. They targeted the dealers and no go areas with increased Police patrols and visible law enforcement as well as mapping crime geographically and targeting those areas.

I understand this costs money, but surely it is money well spent. If we need more police, hire them. If we need more prisons, build them and if we tackle this now, then maybe, just maybe we can do as New York has done and gentrified large former no go areas such as Williamsburg in Brooklyn.

Partnered with Urban renewal and better public relations and education, targeting the triggers for violent crime and allocating resources better surely we as a society can, if not stop, at least reduce this kind of thing happening every day.

Thoughts?
 
"It appears a man on his own has gone towards the crowd and let off one single shot from a shotgun."
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idiot/nutter/********, take your pick.

What on earth would drive somebody to this?
 
The problem is gang culture and social deprivation. Not the number of cops of the street. Upping the number of cops does nothing to deal with the problem at the core.
 
Just having more cops isn't going to stop drive-by shootings and knife related violence on the streets.
 
And I know I am going to be branded a racist but why are so many black people in London involved in knife and gun crime.

I know it is not down to the colour of their skin but there is no denying that there is a problem within the black community.
 
OldCoals said:
And I know I am going to be branded a racist but why are so many black people in London involved in knife and gun crime.

I know it is not down to the colour of their skin but there is no denying that there is a problem within the black community.
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Gang culture and social deprivation.
 
Brian8bit said:
The problem is gang culture and social deprivation. Not the number of cops of the street. Upping the number of cops does nothing to deal with the problem at the core.
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That is why I stated that we should also tackle the triggers for crime such as social deprivation and gang culture.

Of course more Police will have an effect as long as a zero tolerance attitude is also applied, that includes in the courts as well.

It worked in NY, why would it not work in London.
 
OldCoals said:
And I know I am going to be branded a racist but why are so many black people in London involved in knife and gun crime.

I know it is not down to the colour of their skin but there is no denying that there is a problem within the black community.
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There isn't a problem within the black community, I keep trying to say this.

Crime has its roots in poverty not race. It just happens that there's a larger % of poor black people, compared with other races. Therefore, the real issue is not to target a race, but to target poverty.

That probably explains why you think so many black people are involved in knife and gun crime. The real question you should be asking is why so many poor people are involved in knife and gun crime.
 
OldCoals said:
And I know I am going to be branded a racist but why are so many black people in London involved in knife and gun crime.

I know it is not down to the colour of their skin but there is no denying that there is a problem within the black community.
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There is a problem with the black community but tbh I think there's just a problem with the poor general. 9/10 these events happen on council estates.

Nuke from orbit, save welfare, reduce crime, control population.

**** the poor.

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But but the goverment, MPs, Bankers, no jobs....

Yeah because they made someone go out get a shotgun and fire it at a fellow human, which is probably over a debt or someone said something nasty about someone else.

London is a lost cause, lets carpet bomb the place, get rid of the banking sector and scum like this all in one, the ones that survive can come ooop north.
 
Castiel said:
That is why I stated that we should also tackle the triggers for crime such as social deprivation and gang culture.

Of course more Police will have an effect as long as a zero tolerance attitude is also applied, that includes in the courts as well.

It worked in NY, why would it not work in London.
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Because New York is New York and London is London. Cops in New York are armed. Cops in London aren't (bar C019). Hoods aren't scared of the police on the street in the UK because the cops aren't armed. At most they're going to get hit with a taser until C019 can arrive at the scene. Gangs in America have members numbering thousands and they're national (even international) organisations. Bloods, Crips, MS13, 18th Street, Aryan Brotherhood all of whom are tooled up better than the police.

The question then is should we arm all beat police in London as it works so well for the cops in New York? If you think the time wasted filling in forms is bad now, waiting until you see the form filling and enquires that'll occur every time an officer discharges a weapon.
 
bhavv said:
Wow, London is actually getting worse than places like Bradford and Liverpool these days?

That is just sad.
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?? Certain area's of London have always been much much worse than the likes of Bradford or Liverpool. Take your pick as to which area. There's plenty to choose from.
 
We don't need routinely armed officers.

We need an increase in targeted Stop and Search, the problem is, we all know that is a non starter.
 
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