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AMD Bulldozer Finally!

Looks like Egosoft's space game X:Rebirth could benefit from Bulldozer:

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"CPU performance

One of the biggest steps in developing an entire new engine was to design a true multithread-capable engine. X Rebirth will make full use of latest generation CPUs by spreading the work in many parallel running threads.
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I think I'll wait until the FM2 platform and the Piledriver to come out before I think about AMD platform. At least I'll get to gauge how Bulldozer performs in the mean time.

I can't see the 1st editions of Bulldozer being very different in performance to SB's.
 
I think I'll wait until the FM2 platform and the Piledriver to come out before I think about AMD platform. At least I'll get to gauge how Bulldozer performs in the mean time.

I can't see the 1st editions of Bulldozer being very different in performance to SB's.

This is exactly what I'm thinking. Enhanced Bulldozer + decent on-die graphics could be a really nice combo.

I wonder how well the integrated HD7000 would compare with my current GTX460... if it's about the same, then that would probably meet my needs tbh.
 
It's looking increasingly unlikely that BD will be purchasable this month. I need to upgrade (because my media PC needs parts that upgrading will provide from my main PC) soon. Given lukewarm, but also possibly unreliable views so far, I'm tempted to just order a 2600k or 2500k. What would others do at this late stage?
 
I'm still holding on as my student loan hasn't arrived yet so I have no choice. :D

I have to admit though, i'm moving closer to getting an i7-2600 every day. For starters, I can't see any miniITX BD boards coming anytime soon.
 
I think I might skip this version of bd and wait for the next socket and get the x6 to tide me over which will hopefully will be a worthy upgrade from my x3 720 which has served me well since its release :D
 
I agree with you on a lot of things you say, but I think you're totally wrong on this, on pretty much all of it, especially on backwards compatibility.

Especially since ARM chips support legacy stuff that goes back a very long way already ... they simply haven't dispensed with that stuff. The difference is that they have continually streamlined and made more efficient what they have, x86 has just become more and more bloated and MS have made this much worse by STILL not having a decent hardware / software identifcation and driver-fetching platform, a la many Linux distributions.

The problems of making different platforms that you identify are not problems at all. There will be literally hundreds of companies designing these in future. All of these will be designed within certain parameters and for the most part compatible. ARM provide reference designs and the basic SoC / CPU architecture designs. There are already working platforms with PCI slots etc for ARM, if you didn't know.

I just don't see much of a market left for x86 in the mainstream in 5 years time. There's absolutely no way they can compete on a cost basis (ever) and very little prospect of them competing in performance per watt.

ARM has support for older stuff, but the reason X86 is so bloated is os's will run on ridiculously old hardware, and its not so much arm itself, its the hardware arm gets used in. Right now its in, essentially non upgradable throw away devices, if ARM moves up into higher end laptops and "real" computers, because thats the argument here, if ARM starts to encroach into real laptops/pc's, then the hardware platform will change, and the way pc's are sold is insanely different to the way a closed phone device is packaged, sold, and thrown away and replaced 2 years later.

When Arm needs to work in a full size laptop, with 4 sata ports, and usb, and network, and with a hdmi/display port out, and mice, and printers, and, etc, etc, etc.

When they introduce a video out like, say they add in display port out on tablets.. what happens when in 4 years, display port is ousted for, some new output, thats not compatible, well know ARM will have to add support for the new output, but keep display ports going.

This is ultimately what is holding back "real" pc's, serial ports, parralel ports, vga, dvi, hdmi, display port, IDE, PCI slots, etc, etc, etc.

ARM right now has none of those issues, to long term move into desktops it will have to add all that stuff, and when it does, it will have to support those things for years long after they are all but obsolete.

Right now ARM apps are small with limited usage because they are used on limited devices, they move up into "pc's" and, people making apps for ARM based pc's will have photoshop working on software that costs millions to make it support it, and big changes become problematic.

Right now, as ARM is, its incredibly unlimited by all that, IF it wants to push forwards in performance up into AMD/Intel higher end cpu area's, it WILL need to support all that kind of stuff, the entire platform will change. Realistically ARM will need an altogether separate architecture, for high performance that doesn't impose any limits on mobile phones and tablets.

Theres loads of complications both in doing that, and the fairly simple fact that at some point people will decide not to spend £400 on the latest iphone, when, while it link up to a screen at home and give them 3d high quality gaming, they can get a £40 phone by then that does everything they actually need a mobile to do.

its not there yet, and tablets/netbooks will likely grow for a few years with arm devices, but eventually people will stop paying through the teeth for power they don't need at all.

Essentially right now, someone makes angry birds, its basic, small, easy, simple and will work on a basic platform, what happens when people want to buy a higher performance pc, want to use photoshop and Adobe don't want to spend millions making sure 15 different ARM designs, and every previous generation all work with their software flawlessly.
 
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I have already made my mind up to wait for piledriver before upgrading cpu i think in the meantime i will get more of a tangible benefit from an ssd and maybe gfx card upgrade. Whilst people can say nothing official was ever said about release dates and all that it is very clear BD hasn't gone very well despite how it may perform once it is released and certainly not the way amd wanted it to go.
 
I have already made my mind up to wait for piledriver before upgrading cpu i think in the meantime i will get more of a tangible benefit from an ssd and maybe gfx card upgrade. Whilst people can say nothing official was ever said about release dates and all that it is very clear BD hasn't gone very well despite how it may perform once it is released and certainly not the way amd wanted it to go.

There is only one thing we do actually know,that is BD has been delayed over time so far.

I'm going to wait for official benchmarks,besides even Piledriver is an unknown quantity in performance as well....I only know one thing I win either way by waiting for next month since any upgrade is a huge gain for me over my old 939 socket based system.

Also bear in mind there has been a lot of FUD and unofficial statements about BD,we don't know(good or bad) until we see official benchmarks from sites like Anandtech etc....end of the day we have to wait a little longer.
 
The PassMark scores for the FX8150 look much higher than for the Phenom II X6 1100T:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums...-info-fans-!&p=4961972&viewfull=1#post4961972
stock for stock yeah

clock for clock the gap is closer. i get 7,062.8

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also we don't even know if fm2/Piledriver will be delayed or even put back, which could happen

But it getting delayed just means AMD's performance will stagnate till it releases.

That passmark doesn't look impressive at all.
Oh wow, it's improved, of course it should, it's executing 33% more threads.
 
Who says its delayed again?
Or is it just yet another rumour (As there was a rumour the other week that they were gonna be able to pull the next generation of BD forward, but again just a rumour) that may or may not be true but honestly most folk making that guess is just guessing, at a guess theres probably one or two folk in this whole thread that has any real inside info on delays etc, rather than just picking out a couple of storys here and there and jumbling them all together to make there own rumour.
 
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@davieg It's all rumours. Some people saying it'll be released in October, November, or even cancelled completely. Trouble is that very few people know when it'll actually be released, and they've all signed a NDA.

That passmark doesn't look impressive at all.
Oh wow, it's improved, of course it should, it's executing 33% more threads.

Yup, looks to have worse IPC than Phenom II according to that score. Hopefully it's fake or at least clocks like a beast (average OC of course, we already know what cherry picked bulldozers can do).
 
Who says its delayed again?
Or is it just yet another rumour (As there was a rumour the other week that they were gonna be able to pull the next generation of BD forward, but again just a rumour) that may or may not be true but honestly most folk making that guess is just guessing, at a guess theres probably one or two folk in this whole thread that has any real inside info on delays etc, rather than just picking out a couple of storys here and there and jumbling them all together to make there own rumour.


Tanguy from overclock forums:
'Latest ETA update from my supplier is now early November. This uncertainty is why I'm not quite ready to take actual orders yet - I don't want to tie up people's money until I can be more definitive'
 
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