"alcohol is at least twice as harmful to users than cannabis and 5 times more harmful to society"

chaosdestro0 said:
Why can't cannabis be regulated and taxed?
I heard that the main reason for the legislation is that if it was legalised some companies would go down the drain as marijuana can be used for pain relief.
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and clothing and rope. Hemp has a lot of uses other than just for smoking it. But you are right, a lot of MS suffers use weed as pain relief.

I think weed should be legalised, it's not harmful and there's not significant research done to prove that it leads to harder drugs, you can't OD on weed and you can't die from it (not saying you can't die as a result of smoking a lot and believing you can fly)

If it was legalised it could be regulated and taxed, bringing the quality stuff in.

SteveOBHave said:
taken from talktofrank.com. In light of this information it seems stupid to me to be relaxing the fight against one evil just because another is worse... It's a moronic argument.

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- Even hardcore smokers can become anxious, panicky, suspicious or paranoid.
- Cannabis affects your coordination, which is one of the reasons why drug driving is just as illegal as drink driving.
- Some people think cannabis is harmless just because it’s a plant – but it isn’t harmless. Cannabis, like tobacco, has lots of chemical 'nasties', which can cause lung disease and possibly cancer with long-term or heavy use, especially as it is often mixed with tobacco and smoked without a filter. It can also make asthma worse, and cause wheezing in non-asthma sufferers.
- Cannabis itself can affect many different systems in the body, including the heart: It increases the heart rate and can affect blood pressure.
- If you’ve a history of mental health problems, then taking cannabis is not a good idea: It can cause paranoia in the short term, but in those with a pre-existing psychotic illness, such as schizophrenia, it can contribute to relapse.
- If you use cannabis and have a family background of mental illness, such as schizophrenia, you may be at increased risk of developing a psychotic illness.
- It is reported that frequent use of cannabis can cut a man's sperm count, reduce sperm motility, and can suppress ovulation in women and so may affect fertility.
- If you’re pregnant, smoking cannabis frequently may have some association with the risk of the baby being born smaller than expected.
- Regular, heavy use makes it difficult to learn and concentrate. Some people begin to feel tired all the time and can't seem to get motivated. - Some users may want to buy strong herbal cannabis to get ‘a bigger high’ but unpleasant reactions can be more powerful when you use strong cannabis, and it is possible that using strong cannabis repeatedly could lead in time to more users experiencing harmful effects such as dependence or being more at risk of developing the mental health effects.
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Source? as your 3rd point hasn't been proven, there is no significant research to show that smoking pure weed can cause cancer, it's when you mix it with tobacco that causes cancer. Solve that problem with brownies!

I have to agree with your point about being tired though, a lot of my friends smoke it regularly and they lack motivation to do anything, as long as they can get up for work, smoke weed and sleep they're happy
 
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SteveOBHave said:
taken from talktofrank.com. In light of this information it seems stupid to me to be relaxing the fight against one evil just because another is worse... It's a moronic argument.
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Try posting peer reviewed science source, not talktofrank.com, which is known to be incredibly inaccurate when it comes to stuff like this.
 
hurfdurf said:
Try posting peer reviewed science source, not talktofrank.com, which is known to be incredibly inaccurate when it comes to stuff like this.
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Oddly the NHS quotes Frank as a source as well... seems strange for the NHS to be quoting a known inaccurate sourse wouldn't you think?

There is stacks of evidence out there that supports these statements and throwing attempted dispersion on this one source is not going to change the facts. Either way you're imbibing a chemical into your body in order to create a physical and mental reaction - how is that ever going to be good for you? You're poisoning your body the same as with drinking alcohol... Stop trying to suggest that there is nothing wrong with that - through the simple act of doing it you're invalidating any counter argument.
 
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kwerk said:
You'll be singing a different tune after an addict high on cannabis breaks in to your house in search of cash for his next "fix", and murder-rapes your whole family. It's illegal for a reason.
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WTF are you on about?, cannabis users don't go breaking into people houses to steal for their next fix. Smack-heads yeah but that's a different story.

Only truth in your post is cannabis my lead to harder drugs, but the same could be said for alcohol.

I like they way you also imply it's a him in your post.
 
SteveOBHave said:
There is stacks of evidence out there that supports these statements and throwing attempted dispersion on this one source is not going to change the facts. Either way you're imbibing a chemical into your body in order to create a physical and mental reaction - how is that ever going to be good for you? You're poisoning your body the same as with drinking alcohol... Stop trying to suggest that there is nothing wrong with that - through the simple act of doing it you're invalidating any counter argument.
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No one said smoking is good for you. It can make some things temporarily better though ;)

And you cant poison yourself on cannabis mate. You'd have to eat and smoke kilos simultaneously. The chemicals are expelled from your body same as anything else you smoke or drink.
 
Locky said:
WTF are you on about?, cannabis users don't go breaking into people houses to steal for their next fix. Smack-heads yeah but that's a different story.

Only truth in your post is cannabis my lead to harder drugs, but the same could be said for alcohol.

I like they way you also imply it's a him in your post.
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No they just report theft of their own weed from their own home... Clearly cannabis has not effected this chaps ability to think... genius...

http://local.stv.tv/edinburgh/news/...reporting-theft-of-cannabis-plants-from-home/

Police were called to David Williamson's home to investigate reports that he had been assaulted and robbed.

But Williamson made a hash of things by volunteering that the stolen property was two of his prized cannabis plants.

Officers then got a warrant to search the 34-year-old's Edinburgh home and discovered a further 20 plants.

The robbery victim was then arrested and taken to a police cell, Edinburgh Sheriff Court heard.
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SteveOBHave said:
Oddly the NHS quotes Frank as a source as well... seems strange for the NHS to be quoting a known inaccurate sourse wouldn't you think?

There is stacks of evidence out there that supports these statements and throwing attempted dispersion on this one source is not going to change the facts. Either way you're imbibing a chemical into your body in order to create a physical and mental reaction - how is that ever going to be good for you? You're poisoning your body the same as with drinking alcohol... Stop trying to suggest that there is nothing wrong with that - through the simple act of doing it you're invalidating any counter argument.
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There is nothing wrong with that, if there was, we wouldn't have Asthma inhalers, Paracetamol and anti depressants.

The NHS frequently uses circular evidence and government mandated evidence, a government which fires its staff if they do not get the Daily Mail appeasing science they want. Independent sources are what you should be looking at and whilst I agree, there are negative affects from smoking Marijuana, they are minimal at best and only even come into play when Marijuana is seriously abused, much like Paracetamol, steroids and anti depressants.

I don't do any of the things I mention by the way, nor do I drink with any regularity.
 
hurfdurf said:
There is nothing wrong with that, if there was, we wouldn't have Asthma inhalers, Paracetamol and anti depressants.

The NHS frequently uses circular evidence and government mandated evidence, a government which fires its staff if they do not get the Daily Mail appeasing science they want. Independent sources are what you should be looking at and whilst I agree, there are negative affects from smoking Marijuana, they are minimal at best and only even come into play when Marijuana is seriously abused, much like Paracetamol, steroids and anti depressants.

I don't do any of the things I mention by the way, nor do I drink with any regularity.
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Fair call, you have to ask though what the impact on society as a whole would be if cannabis were main streamed. I think it's pretty clear that a large number of people have a psychological tendency toward 'over-indulging' in alcohol - what's to stop the same occurring from cannabis users? I guess there is less chance of someone over dosing on pot then there is on alcohol but the long term effects of excessive pot use has been fairly well documented and it's not a pretty picture.
 
asim18 said:
No one said smoking is good for you. It can make some things temporarily better though ;)

And you cant poison yourself on cannabis mate. You'd have to eat and smoke kilos simultaneously. The chemicals are expelled from your body same as anything else you smoke or drink.
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I'm talking about the basic reaction of your mind and body changing due to an internal chemical reaction as opposed to poisoning to death. By definition anything that is capable of causing injury, illness or death to an organism is classed as a poison. Your bodies reaction to imbibing substances is a direct result of metabolising a poison.

In all fairness it's a very alarmist view on both alcohol and cannabis mostly used to stigmatise it's use however by the same token the social impact of these substances, when used in excess, is something worth addressing.
 
Any drug is going to harm you out of moderation.

It's tends to be a case of certain groups of people or just singular cases ruining it for people who know how to moderate their ingestion of drugs they know that: if taken out of moderation it will do them no good. Not strictly with cannabis as that hassn't killed anyone by overdose, ever. But mental health conditions may be brought to the surface if there is underlying issues.
 
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LeJosh said:
Any drug is going to harm you out of moderation.

It's tends to be a case of certain groups of people or just singular cases ruining it for people who know how to moderate their ingestion of drugs they know that: if taken out of moderation it will do them no good. Not strictly with cannabis as that hassn't killed anyone by overdose, ever. But mental health conditions may be brought to the surface if their is underlying issues.
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And if every person with access to these substances were going to be moderate and considered in their use then we'd never have this problem... the simple fact is that unfortunately we're a flawed lot with all sorts of issues and desires and addictions that we feel the need to feed.
 
I do think we should be free to choose as long as it doesn't bother others which smoking cannabis in your own house legally wouldn't but cannabis can drastically change peoples personality and cause depression. I'm for medical cannabis though as long as minors don't get there hands on it.

Perhaps people who cause bother to others with alcohol should lose the right to buy it as well as harsher punishments and a fine for anti social behaviour.
 
A little offtopic but related somewhat

I have found people have a more of a princibled stance against drugs like cannabis for myself i am against it due to its health implications expecially the affects on the brain.

What really grinds my gears is when people i know, knowing full well i am against it not only offer it to me but also justify its use on how it wont harm me at all and it would be good for me to try it :mad:

Way i see it, its banned for a reason and its up to people who want to try it or not.

I Dont think a a source saying it does more damage then drink so it should be ok to use is very suitable as both cause health issues and both in theory shouldnt be consumed.
 
Sonea Fifer said:
That'll never happen given the amount of tax our government makes of it!

A friend of mine who is a habitual cannabis smoker once told me the only dangerous thing in the joint he was smoking was the tobacco - perhaps someone can correct me if I'm wrong with that?
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lol, try taking his dope away from him.
 
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