"alcohol is at least twice as harmful to users than cannabis and 5 times more harmful to society"

I have seen the negative impacts of cannabis on people and I have seen the negative impacts of alcohol on people. Neither are desirable, simple as that.

The main difference between the two, and this came up in the mushrooms thread, is that you can moderate and manage the consumption and effects of alcohol more easily. 1 joint and you will be stoned, 1 glass of wine or a pint of beer and you may not notice any side effects (this is not to say you should drive or operate machinery after any alcohol).

But yes, the usual side effects of cannabis are apathy and a bad case of the munchies.
 
I'm afraid that I can't accept the 'I'm a smoker and I'm not a criminal" argument. You are part of a group of people that much like drinkers and fatties that put a large strain on the economy and the health system
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erm i thought smokers put in far more than they ever take out of the NHS?

not to mention they die younger which helps the economy with less pensioners around using local services etc
 
Wheres the WWII video of Acid being tested on the troops when you need it...

"and finally with half his troop unable to function and one man climbing the tree to feed the birds the commander admitted he could no longer control himself or his men then burst into a fit of laughter!"
 
krooton said:
Source?
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Magick? :D

do_ron_ron said:
It is just users wanting their habit made legal so they can get their fix easier.

You confess to repeatedly taking part in illegal activities over a number of years and helping fund drug gangs, that does make you a criminal and a social menace.
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Well I am not (and have never been) a user and I think we should legalise most drugs. Primarily because the current approach seems to be failing so badly.

Make it legal and controlled and then users are no longer supporting criminal gangs and also can be given greater support, especially if tax revenues were used for rehabilitation and support services.
 
hurfdurf said:
Acid has massive long term affects and can cause all sorts of mental issues. I don't think its a completely negative thing but studies done as early on in the 1950's show how acid can affect thought processes and lead to disaster as its a psychedelic.

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Any studies from this century?

Last I heard, there were breakthroughs in treating alcoholism by use of LSD, we're just not likely to see it any time soon (if ever) due to how LSD has been classified.

Ps. I'm not telling everyone to go out and try it, in fact I feel that psychedelics are the most user-centric drugs out there and are only for the minority of people, but I don't believe it erodes society and ruins lives. X-Factor is a more viable culprit for those sorts of accusations. :p
 
Ah the cannabis thread, this never ends well.

Drinkers vs goodie goodies vs pot heads vs smokers

I'll lay out what happened with each drug I've taken.

Tobacco - Cost a small fortune/Killed my lungs/stained my teeth/made me smell - I quit now
Alcohol - Had a laugh/bleed/few fights/bit of vomit/couple headaches/made some mates
Weed - Cost some money/ate loads of junk food/got lazy
Ketamin - Don't go there..ever
Coke - Danced/had a blast/dehydrated a little
Speed - Talked a lot/dehydrated/had a laugh/lost some weight
MDMA - Danced/loved/laughed
Shrooms - Seen weird **** (bring OJ in case anyone trips)
Ecstasy - Had a dance/loved/drank water/felt like **** for 2 days after

Tobacco is by far the worst drug available.

Judge me if you wish, as I couldn't care less what anyone thinks. I had some good times, and I had some bad times. Welcome to life.
 
TBH when it comes to Psychedelics you're gambleing with your sanity anything can trigger a bad trip and thats where **** goes **** up the only real safe environment is in the comany of good friends in familiar surroundings without any negative or complex issues effecting you at the time or you are likely to have a bad trip and that could go either of two ways:

A. you scare the **** outta yourself so much that you'll think twice before doing it again

B. You lose yourself in the trip and come out of it changed or you go bat**** insane.
 
Planning a little shroom hunting on Dartmoor soon. Some mates, some tents, some beers, some weed...happy days :D
 
RDM said:
Well I am not (and have never been) a user and I think we should legalise most drugs. Primarily because the current approach seems to be failing so badly.
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The current approach fails so give up? I can think of a number of cases were the current approach does not work, are you advocating we just ignore it or make it legal because it is less bother. Re-offending rates. An obvious example, do you want career criminals not be punished because it is less bother? Peodophiles?

Make it legal and controlled and then users are no longer supporting criminal gangs and also can be given greater support, especially if tax revenues were used for rehabilitation and support services.
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So we can tax it so it is OK. Lazy argument! They are progressively banning tabacco but it was a huge revenue earner.
 
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They won't ban tabacco..ever

They are just exploiting addicts for more and more cash.

£6.50 now for a pack of 20 Marlboro (my brand of choice) T'is ***** expensive, hence why I quit. That and the fact I can'y get 200 for £20 from Poland anymore. Damn increase in airport security :(


***No swearing disguised or not***
 
do_ron_ron said:
The current approach fails so give up? I can think of a number of cases were the current approach does not work, are you advocating we just ignore it or make it legal because it is less bother. Re-offending rates. An obvious example, do you want career criminals not be punished because it is less bother? Peodophiles?
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Career criminals and pedophiles pose an actual risk to others, someone who wants to smoke a few joints on the weekend at home doesn't.
 
do_ron_ron said:
The current approach fails so give up? I can think of a number of cases were the current approach does not work, are you advocating we just ignore it or make it legal because it is less bother. Re-offending rates. An obvious example, do you want career criminals not be punished because it is less bother? Peodophiles?
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Why does it have to be such a binary issue? Why are the only options "Do what we do now" or "Do nothing"? Taking your example then spending more on rehabilitation (another unpopular move I seems) would be a better option than our current approach and doing nothing. For pedophiles then treatment or access to simulated pornography may be an approach that works.

However to continue to do something that time and time again is failing seems to be somewhat idiotic.

So we can tax it so it is OK. Lazy argument! They are progressively banning tabacco but it was a huge revenue earner.
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Did you ingore the part about funneling the revenue into greater support and rehabilitation? Making drug taking safer to do and easier to stop (as per Portugals experiements in that area) seem to be a better idea to me than just carrying on as we are.
 
do_ron_ron said:
Yet again the same old argument - my vice is less harmful than other's vice so it should be legal. Pathetic.

Govt. does take action to educate and legislate to reduce harm to individuals. Look at smoking recently or even levels of salt and sugar. At the end of the day it is the Govt. that has to pick up the tab for health probs.

No drug is safe, even the stuff you get from your doctor. There are always people who suffer side effects, even from aspirin.

It is just users wanting their habit made legal so they can get their fix easier.

You confess to repeatedly taking part in illegal activities over a number of years and helping fund drug gangs, that does make you a criminal and a social menace.
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So do you believe alcohol should be illegal too then? If not, please explain why it shouldn't be but cannabis should. That's the point of this thread afterall, but somehow I doubt you'll have a leg to stand on other than "drugs r bad mmk". Pathetic...

I'd much rather buy it from sainsburys with a bit of duty on it like I do alcohol, and it seems silly to me to deny myself something I enjoy because of hypocritical laws existing where I happened to be born.
 
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So do you believe alcohol should be illegal too then? If not, please explain why it shouldn't be but cannabis should. That's the point of this thread afterall, but somehow I doubt you'll have a leg to stand on other than "drugs r bad mmk". Pathetic...

I'd much rather buy it from sainsburys with a bit of duty on it like I do alcohol, and it seems silly to me to deny myself something I enjoy because of hypocritical laws existing where I happened to be born.
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It is alcohol abuse that is the problem not alcohol. Alcohol is not inherently addictive and plenty of people manage to drink responsibly.

Cannabis may or may not be addictive but the nicotine in the tobacco used is.

People can’t show a modicum of restraint with legal substances whether it is alcohol or legal highs so deregulating / legalising another substance which is open to abuse in the UK will only leave its consumption open to abuse.

I would not oppose carefully prescribed use for pain management. The side effects of some strong painkillers can be extremely damaging and significant.

You see the same old arguments from pro-cannabis lobbyists which ultimately don’t stack up or hold weight with the majority. Trying to use alcohol as a smokescreen is deeply flawed.
 
RDM said:
Why does it have to be such a binary issue? Why are the only options "Do what we do now" or "Do nothing"? Taking your example then spending more on rehabilitation (another unpopular move I seems) would be a better option than our current approach and doing nothing. For pedophiles then treatment or access to simulated pornography may be an approach that works.
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You answered your own question. You try other approaches while not making it legal.


Did you ingore the part about funneling the revenue into greater support and rehabilitation? Making drug taking safer to do and easier to stop (as per Portugals experiements in that area) seem to be a better idea to me than just carrying on as we are.
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They tried that with smoking and it failed. The only thing that is working is legislation banning it in a growing number of places.
 
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