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AMD Bulldozer Finally!

sunama said:
Intel has approximately 80% of the CPU market share.
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This is true. And just one more reason for me not to buy any Intel product. Seriously, I dont see a company attractive just because its a market leader, this kind of information has quite the opposite effect on me.

If AMD gets even close to the 2600K with BD that must be amazing, that means theyve done it with only 20% of resources that massive Intel has.
 
Martini1991 said:
The GPU situation is different. "Throw more cores at it" sees gains in everything pretty much. AMD are VERY good there, and have always been my choice from the 4870x2 to the 5870, to a 5850, to another 5870, to a 5970, to my 6870 crossfire.

But with throwing more cores into a CPU, you're only seeing those gains in a few situations, you want a CPU with consistently brilliant performance, that is, and will continue to be Intel, until AMD can release chips that compete with near the same level of clock for clock performance.

The 8150 can beat the 2600k in 8 threaded app's, fair enough, I've been saying it should and will for months.

But for 1-6 threaded app's (Mainly 1-4) who's going to win? The 2600k.
Hell, in 1-4, the 2500k's going to best the 8150, it'll probably stand its ground in 6 threaded app's too, but take a beating in some app's, beat in others, much like the 1100T versus 2500k now.

To clarify ; We want a CPU that can compete in every situation, not the minority of situations.
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as i said before i don't think/feel amd are trying to beat intel. i feel they focusing on improving performance from they last series/gen more than trying beat intel...
 
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gareth170 said:
as i said before i don't think/feel amd are trying to beat intel. i feel they focusing on improving performance from they last series/gen more than trying beat intel...
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The two should go hand in hand.
Yes they're closer to Intel in heavily multi threaded benchmarks, that's the evidence that's there, I don't think anyone's denied that (Not aimed at you).
 
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Quicken said:
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/24314-bulldozer-fx-to-launch-october-12-1800-cet

It's Fud, So large pinch of salt!

:-)
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Isn't that just the time at which the competition to win a Bulldozer CPU ends?

Fudzilla was ok(ish) when it started, but from what one hears, they've lost ALL the sources they had and now just regurgitate rumours, hence why they're regarded as a joke.

Either way, it does seem relatively sure that the NDA lifts on the 12th, so there should be the launch, if not actual release, on that day.
 
Can someone explain to me the purpose of an NDA, with regards to the release date of a product/service release?

Surely, if a product is about to be released, AMD should be able to freely report on this...I can't see the point of hiding or keeping it a secret, until a certain date.

Perhaps someone can educate me on this?

Thanks
 
sunama said:
Can someone explain to me the purpose of an NDA, with regards to the release date of a product/service release?

Surely, if a product is about to be released, AMD should be able to freely report on this...I can't see the point of hiding or keeping it a secret, until a certain date.

Perhaps someone can educate me on this?

Thanks
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Avoids reams for speculation, rumour, hearsay and misinterpretation on message boards.............oh, hold on:p
 
If AMD want to avoid mis-information, the best way for AMD would be to have web page specifically dedicated to official release dates. If a release date is estimated, they can put this down. If it is confirmed, they can put this down on their web page.

If they have an NDA on the release date in place, this would indicate their is an official release date. They could then put this release date up on their website.

I'm still confused why a company would enforce an NDA for a release date.
 
You mean like a roadmap with quarterly release estimates?

If there have been production difficulties in getting enough stock for launch as has been mentioned then not specifying a release date is preferable to repeatedly delaying 'official' dates.
Let's face reality, a relatively small subsection of the pc enthusiast community are the only ppl who care enough to have wound themselves up over this.
 
If there is an NDA in place, this would indicate that an official release date has now been decided - correct?

If there is no official release date, then there would be no need for an NDA, as the date is merely an estimate.
 
Amd's NDA causes folks like us to keep discussing BD.

If we knew for certain(the release date), you could probably wipe at least half the comments out of this thread alone.

Also, if the release date is known, current cpu sales would take a hit.
 
tommybhoy said:
Amd's NDA causes folks like us to keep discussing BD.

If we knew for certain(the release date), you could probably wipe at least half the comments out of this thread alone.

Also, if the release date is known, current cpu sales would take a hit.
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I think you nailed it. Especially with current cpu sales taking a hit...I never thought about that.
 
Or you know, people go buy current gen Intel now instead of waiting for comparable BD later.

Luckily for AMD this portion of the market is tiny compared to OEMs and otherwise.
 
sunama said:
If there is an NDA in place, this would indicate that an official release date has now been decided - correct?

If there is no official release date, then there would be no need for an NDA, as the date is merely an estimate.
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It only means that those with particular info are not able to disclose it. It need not have anything to with the setting of an official release date.
My understanding of AMD's NDA is that it has been in effect for some time, with a clause supposedly releasing those under it by some set time in relation to whenever the release is (as an actual event).
 
Not going to spend a week going thro every page this thread is way to longggggggggg but any idea if the bully is going to basically bully intel chips?

Basically does anyone know yet what they going to be like before I decide if worth upgrading my MB to amd one or intel one. I am not looking for top performer but best bang for buck and future proofing. I know amd tend to be best budget cpu's just wondering if they following the trend.
 
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