Battlefield 3 thread - Server details in opening post -

gord · 5 Oct 2011 at 16:55

Gzero said:
Evidence of a worm that can infect through exploitation with no person to be blamed.

With DNS hijacking, it's easy to infect users.

You can't use an OpenSSL Linux buffer overflow example from 2002 to reinforce your point.

DNS hijacking still requires a disregard for security that could befall a person doing any number of tasks on the net. Your DNS doesn't magically change by itself.

why is it inconceivable to believe that another, non authorised website can hook into the plugin and pass instruction

Arg! What!? Because I'm happy to assume that their plugin has some basic validation rules in it! We don't even know where the password exploit came from. To call it code injection, while accurate, is almost an insult to the people that write proper injection attacks.

Why is this not seen as a potential issue.

Because it is no more of a potential issue than being on the net itself. If you take the time to download illegitimate versions of plugins and programs then more fool you.

rogueblade · 5 Oct 2011 at 16:58

Longbow said:
Been playing around with the MAV (drone):

It's a lot of fun, and it's IR camera makes it easy to spot the enemy and mark them for your team.

It has no weapon, but you can put a claymore on it:

I thought the MAV is unavailable in the beta? Or are you playing hacked servers or something?

Gerard · 5 Oct 2011 at 16:59

rogueblade said:
I thought the MAV is unavailable in the beta? Or are you playing hacked servers or something?

It says unavailable but its apparently usable anwyay.

Pighardia · 5 Oct 2011 at 17:02

PapaLazaru said:
Has been confirmed has it not?

Indeed it has, and that is great but i was referring to the delay in confirming it. There were many threads/posts on Battlelog forums and people(fans) just wanted to know if it would be changed for retail and a few details on some features, and i find it strange that there wasn't some kind of statement practically straight away. I find it bizzare that there was no comment on it for days, surely at the very least it would have stopped the moaners and kept their fans happy(or happier

). this whole beta has been a bit of a mess tbh, though i think they have gotten away with it.

Anyway it has been confirmed now so all is good, don't see how it took them so long to prepare that statement though.

Vulcan · 5 Oct 2011 at 17:03

McGray said:
Quick question.

I have a spare monitor and was wondering if I can run the game on one screen and Battlelog on the other?

Yes, the cursor will be locked to your main screen though, so you'll still have to alt-tab to interact with the battle log.

Gerard said:
It says unavailable but its apparently usable anwyay.

Indeed. I guess their "Not in beta" function is still in beta.

rogueblade · 5 Oct 2011 at 17:03

rogueblade said:
I thought the MAV is unavailable in the beta? Or are you playing hacked servers or something?

Gerard said:
It says unavailable but its apparently usable anwyay.

Oh nice, does the same apply for the SOFLAM and/or Mortar?

Vulcan · 5 Oct 2011 at 17:09

SOFLAM and mortar are both properly disabled as far as I know.

gord · 5 Oct 2011 at 17:13

Sin_Chase said:
What evidence can you provide that the additional danger is neglible?

Are you saying it's impossible for the plugin to be created in a fashion that would allow a non-battlelog site to utilise it?

Not scaremongering at all.

Your questions are misleading and poorly constructed. Why would you ask for evidence of a potential threat, if there was evidence the potentiality wouldn't be there.

I am saying that there is the possibility and probability that the plugin has been fashioned in such a way that it cannot be accessed by another site.

You are. Your questions, your points, despite what we are saying continue to dramatise the situation.

PaulC2K · 5 Oct 2011 at 17:13

Steam is a shop, a digital distributer of games. Plus some basic little features thrown in.
Steamworks is their DRM. The 2 are not the same, or always combined.
Origin is a shop too, and BF3 is using Origin as its DRM, so regardless of which method you go down to purchase a BF3 key you WILL be downloading and running through Origin.
F1 2010/11 uses GfWL, you just buy it from Steam, launch it from their, and it loads the game via GfWL as DRM, just like BF3 will have to be played using Origin to validate it.

Those who want to run Steam + Origin thinking thats a great deal, bully for you, god help me understand what people see in having 2 things running rather than 1. They dont like Origin, so their solution is to buy it elsewhere meaning they still get stuck with origin, but now they've got Steam to deal with too.

How paying £40 to Steam (or Origin to a lesser degree) becomes a better deal than paying £30 at a regular retailer, both of which HAVE to go through Origin, your just overpaying for this supposed convenience. People moan about bloatware, and heres a load of people wanting to add Steam into the mix, because they dont like Origin and are clueless as to the situation Origin plays and just what difference buying from steam might mean. If anything, it makes matters worse, not better.

FrenchTart · 5 Oct 2011 at 17:17

PaulC2K said:
Steam is a shop, a digital distributer of games. Plus some basic little features thrown in.
Steamworks is their DRM. The 2 are not the same, or always combined.
Origin is a shop too, and BF3 is using Origin as its DRM, so regardless of which method you go down to purchase a BF3 key you WILL be downloading and running through Origin.
F1 2010/11 uses GfWL, you just buy it from Steam, launch it from their, and it loads the game via GfWL as DRM, just like BF3 will have to be played using Origin to validate it.

Those who want to run Steam + Origin thinking thats a great deal, bully for you, god help me understand what people see in having 2 things running rather than 1. They dont like Origin, so their solution is to buy it elsewhere meaning they still get stuck with origin, but now they've got Steam to deal with too.

How paying £40 to Steam (or Origin to a lesser degree) becomes a better deal than paying £30 at a regular retailer, both of which HAVE to go through Origin, your just overpaying for this supposed convenience. People moan about bloatware, and heres a load of people wanting to add Steam into the mix, because they dont like Origin and are clueless as to the situation Origin plays and just what difference buying from steam might mean. If anything, it makes matters worse, not better.

Of course if purchasing on steam requires us to run origin too then we won't bother. What on earth gave you the idea that anyone holding out for a steam release was doing so on the assumption that they would still have to run origin?

It is not unheard of for there to be different forms of DRM used with different electronic distributors. It is more than possible that we will not need to use origin with a steam release and to be honest, I think it's more likely that we wouldn't use origin with a steam release. It would be kind of pointless.

eekfek · 5 Oct 2011 at 17:22

BORING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BORING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BORING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

geez you technoheads are duller than brown corduroy flared pants !!!!!

start a new thread to discuss that stuff whilst we BF3 fans can get on with actual game chit chat !!!!

PaulC2K · 5 Oct 2011 at 17:23

McGray said:
Quick question.

I have a spare monitor and was wondering if I can run the game on one screen and Battlelog on the other?

I run dual monitors, only game on 1 though. Going full-screen it locks you in, so you can still see the desktop or whatever you want on the other screen and dont run the risk of the mouse leaving that area and you clicking on the desktop when you try to shoot at someone.

I tend to do most things on my secondary screen, everything except gaming really, but its handy to have Bat-log open and see who's online, or keep the teamspeak window viewable along with various hardware performance apps to keep an eye on things. Very rarely have i had problems with 2 monitors, only game i've played which was a pain was Kane & Lynch 2, it used to black out the 2nd monitor :confused:

everything else just sticks to the 1 screen as you'd want.

Rroff · 5 Oct 2011 at 17:24

PaulC2K said:
Steam is a shop, a digital distributer of games. Plus some basic little features thrown in.
Steamworks is their DRM. The 2 are not the same, or always combined.
Origin is a shop too, and BF3 is using Origin as its DRM, so regardless of which method you go down to purchase a BF3 key you WILL be downloading and running through Origin.
F1 2010/11 uses GfWL, you just buy it from Steam, launch it from their, and it loads the game via GfWL as DRM, just like BF3 will have to be played using Origin to validate it.

Those who want to run Steam + Origin thinking thats a great deal, bully for you, god help me understand what people see in having 2 things running rather than 1. They dont like Origin, so their solution is to buy it elsewhere meaning they still get stuck with origin, but now they've got Steam to deal with too.

How paying £40 to Steam (or Origin to a lesser degree) becomes a better deal than paying £30 at a regular retailer, both of which HAVE to go through Origin, your just overpaying for this supposed convenience. People moan about bloatware, and heres a load of people wanting to add Steam into the mix, because they dont like Origin and are clueless as to the situation Origin plays and just what difference buying from steam might mean. If anything, it makes matters worse, not better.

The people who want it on steam don't want Origin at all... theres no good reason the game can't be used with Steam and the Steamworks API (which is more than just DRM which is one of its many functionalities - you can publish a product via Steamworks API without using any DRM at all).

Likewise these people don't like GfWL client either and atleast personally I now avoid all games that use it - even ones on steam.

FrenchTart · 5 Oct 2011 at 17:30

eekfek said:
BORING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BORING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BORING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

geez you technoheads are duller than brown corduroy flared pants !!!!!

start a new thread to discuss that stuff whilst we BF3 fans can get on with actual game chit chat !!!!

Fair point, though it's hard to resist responding to people when they come out with dodgy info

Gzero · 5 Oct 2011 at 17:32

eekfek said:
BORING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BORING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BORING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

geez you technoheads are duller than brown corduroy flared pants !!!!!

start a new thread to discuss that stuff whilst we BF3 fans can get on with actual game chit chat !!!!

What's to talk about, according to some the beta doesn't represent the final game so therefore wouldn't belong in this thread either

.

PaulC2K · 5 Oct 2011 at 17:36

FrenchTart said:
Of course if purchasing on steam requires us to run origin too then we won't bother. What on earth gave you the idea that anyone holding out for a steam release was doing so on the assumption that they would still have to run origin?

It is not unheard of for there to be different forms of DRM used with different electronic distributors. It is more than possible that we will not need to use origin with a steam release and to be honest, I think it's more likely that we wouldn't use origin with a steam release. It would be kind of pointless.

Read half of the clueless posts from people rejoicing in Steams return, and how it means no more origin.

Theres no way on earth BF3 wont use Origin as the DRM, even considering the possibility is a stupid waste of time. Theres less than 1 month till launch, you expect EA to get DICE to bend their rules and remove their insistance that DLC has to be sold by Steam, which was enough for EA to say screw you, AND also say "You know what, this DRM we've built and encorporated into Origin, why dont we just rip that out of your version and in the next < 3wk we'll encorporate a Steamworks version into it it and a Battlelog browser app to launch to steam, cos we're sat here scratching our collective arses with nowt better to do with our time than bend over and take it from you".

Lets not forget that a few months ago all the Steam fanboys were screaming about the fact that EA were doing this because Steam is their competition (rubbish!) despite the fact that EA distribute the physical copies of Valves games for about 6-8 years now in America, and still do, so they're hardly Microsoft vs Apple (who've managed to see value & profit selling software to Apple customers). So now they're evil rivals, who with 3wks notice are going to remove all their DRM they'll be trying to convince other developers to switch to, and create a 2nd build for their 'rival'.
:rolleyes:

But hey, you keep on dreaming kiddo.

simpletom · 5 Oct 2011 at 17:46

I prefer Origin to Steam as a download tool as it seems to max out more often. I couldn't give a toss about the 'friends' side of it. It is a pretty lightweight client.

Sin_Chase · 5 Oct 2011 at 17:55

Aight, god forbid speculation!

All aboard the faith wagon!

Pighardia · 5 Oct 2011 at 17:58

I would have loved to get in on Steam and avoid Origin, but i bought Fifa 12 on there the other day so it doesn't matter anymore. I won't go in to the many problems i have had with Origin/EA but i have had many more problems with them than with Steam.(it is a beta as well)

wnb · 5 Oct 2011 at 18:02

I am about to order BF3, I can order the limited edition version but what does it include? Is that the pne with the 4 extra maps including Karkand?