Steve Jobs has died. What effect, if any, will it have on Apple and the tech industry?

Well rather than go back and redesign the flaw in its casing they choose to ignore it, for the sake of getting the product out there. If they had gone back to the drawing board they would have lost some market share to the Samsung or HTC who were still developing products that did more.

They have fixed the antenna issue on the iPhone 4S. It has an extra antenna that the phone automatically switches between.

The antenna problem was blown out of proportion as well, it is there, absolutely, but other phones experience the same problem and you have to have a really weak signal for it to affect you.

What product can do the most counts for very little these days, most people would rather have ease of use and stability than lots of fancy things they may never use.

Was napster (When it went legit) Not around before iTunes?

Napster is/was not the same thing as iTunes.
 
Was napster (When it went legit) Not around before iTunes?

Napster isn't a complete Eco system and doesn't sell everything. It went legit in 2002 didn't it. No idea when iTunes came out.

But apple is. Much more about innovation in software. It's the complete Eco system that trounced the competitors and it is why I fully expect the Amazon Fire to trounce the android competitors. Because it has a full and integrated Eco system. That android has neglected which is a massive hindrance for what are media devices.
 
They have fixed the antenna issue on the iPhone 4S. It has an extra antenna that the phone automatically switches between.

The antenna problem was blown out of proportion as well, it is there, absolutely, but other phones experience the same problem and you have to have a really weak signal for it to affect you.



Napster is/was not the same thing as iTunes.

Ask yourself why it was an issue in the first place? Sloppy design from being to hasty prehaps?
Ease of use and stability?? Its not Windows Me, my phone works, it does everything and its cheaper, it just wasn't first. All smart phone are simple
 
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You're entitled to your opinion, but that is just nonsense for the most part.

The latest iPhone didn't even work properly, what do you mean?



You answered your own question -

No, that explains why I personally don't like the products; it doesn't explain why many Apple fans take such a militant stance to defend their products even when approached with reasonable criticism.

I really like Samsung products, owning both a TV and monitor which have been faultless and provided me with excellent quality products with great asthetics for a decent price. But if someone else were to criticse Samsung I wouldnt leap to their defence with such overzealous loyalty, nor would I consider only buying Samsung based on that experience.
 
iTunes did not start out with selling everything tho?

It's only been recently (Within the last 2 years?) they started selling movies too.

Did iTunes not start off as selling online music (So copying napster)

They have just taken stuff other people have done, put it in a single app, and made all there hardware work with it.

So they have not made anything new. They made it BETTER
 
Went to a class early this morning and a girl there said he had died. I assumed someone was pulling her leg.

Assumed it was a hoax in poor taste after the 4s announcement.

Just got home and found out its true. Shocked tbh.

RIP. A good man.
 
No, that explains why I personally don't like the products; it doesn't explain why many Apple fans take such a militant stance to defend their products even when approached with reasonable criticism.

Most people are quite happy to admit the flaws of Apple products, they certainly aren't perfect.

I really like Samsung products, owning both a TV and monitor which have been faultless and provided me with excellent quality products with great asthetics for a decent price. But if someone else were to criticse Samsung I wouldnt leap to their defence with such overzealous loyalty, nor would I consider only buying Samsung based on that experience.

As do I. I'd leap to the defence of any tech company than was being inaccurately slated though, especially when it comes to mobile phones/tablets.

So they have not made anything new. They made it BETTER

That is all that matters, and Napster still isn't the same thing. iTunes is a full device sync service (now being backed up by iCloud) AND a media shop.

What does google have to do with it? o.O This aint no Android/Apple fight

It's getting there. :p
 
They have fixed the antenna issue on the iPhone 4S. It has an extra antenna that the phone automatically switches between.

The antenna problem was blown out of proportion as well, it is there, absolutely, but other phones experience the same problem and you have to have a really weak signal for it to affect you.

I think you don't really understand the antenna issue. Some phones could have the signal attenuated when you held it in certain ways due to the flesh of your hand getting in the way. The problem with the iphone 4 was that the antennas for the wifi and cell radio were exposed and the conductive sweat on your hand meant you could bridge the gap between them and detune the antenna so it stopped working completely.
 
They have just taken stuff other people have done, put it in a single app, and made all there hardware work with it.

So they have not made anything new. They made it BETTER
I think thats what people are trying to say anyway/have acknowledged - you arent really bringing anything new to the debate...
What does google have to do with it? o.O This aint no Android/Apple fight
LOL you added the point about Napster off the back off a comment about Apples ecosystem and how its hardware/software integrates compared to the Android platform.

I dont see the relevance of your aimless point about Napster being available before iTunes unless you were trying to infer thats part of the similar ecosystem that Google have built. At least try and read the points you quote...
Apple is not ONLY about putting a spin on things, they do far more than that. The iOS ecosystem to this day has still not been matched, nor is it really close to being matched. Google do not have an iTunes alternative, and the fragmentation issues are still very much a problem at the moment. The products are also extremely well made and use very good (if not always cutting edge) technology, they're not some cheap crap thing that is being sold on marketing spin alone.

Also, comparing Android sales figures to iPhone sales figures is like comparing Ford to Aston Martin, Ford cater to a huge price range and Aston Martin do not.
Was napster (When it went legit) Not around before iTunes?

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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No, that explains why I personally don't like the products; it doesn't explain why many Apple fans take such a militant stance to defend their products even when approached with reasonable criticism.

There's fanboys on both sides. But it's usually the haters with the militant view and some of us argue there silly points. Then we get called fanboys.
 
There's fanboys on both sides. But it's usually the haters with the militant view and some of us argue there silly points. Then we get called fanboys.

It's about this point in time that the fanboys start to slug it out. I'm going to go and make a cup of tea. :D
 
Apple never have and never will bring anything "new" to the table. But what they do is take stuff already there, put there spin on it and make it huge. So we do have a lot to thank to apple/jobs

I want to agree, but i just can't

Apple II being the first home computer? at the time where computers back then you had to tinker and fiddle to get it to work where the Apple II worked out of the box?

I see where you are coming from though.

There did not come up with the Smart Phone (I had a Nokia N95 before that)
They did not come up with the Tablet (They were around years ago as PDA)
They did not come up with the MP3 player.
They did not come up with downloadable music. (Napster beat him to that)


What they did and what Steve Job did was took what was an average consumer product and somehow make it successful and works and somehow make you want one.

I mean other MP3 players works too, I had an iRiver, but what made the iPod better? it's not technically, there are other better sound quality players, there are cheaper players with drag and drop system (preferred by geeks), there are other more technical advance players. What let them down is design and general UI. Where others put function before form, as do a lot of tech companies. Apple seems to put Form before function. Often using yester-years' technology in a new way, their way. i.e. the Click wheel in the iPod. The Touch screen on the iPhone, the trackpad (great gestures).

Also, the little things matter. Things like Apple Express, music around the house, that is amazing, and link that to your phone as a remote as well! Air play, I can play songs from my iPhone at someone else's HiFi through Airplay without plugging in a thing except having their wifi access.

Apple also got into the mindset of more than technical people, it got into the realm of everyday consumer. It basically makes cool appliances for your house that you want.

Also, their slogan "It Just Works". Really clever, and although not 100% true (i.e. you do need some administration on the OS), it does give the consumer that they are buying something that just works. At least on the surface, a lot of it does.

What would the world be without Steve Job though. Technically, not much, the technology would pretty much be the same. But instead of Facetime we use can webcam chat or Skype, but then we are glued to out desks. Instead of iPhone, we would be embracing another Smart phone, we would all be using windows or Linux. But you can't take iTunes away from him, after Napster there was a slight gap, studios had the upper hand after shutting Napster down but they also losing a lot of money in online piracy in digital music (still do). iTunes basically legalised digital downloads and made it easy to download a song that you want. It gives the people who has some money, but lack the technical know how of newsgroup and torrents and more over, want to stay on the legal side of things a way to get digital music in the comfort of your own chair.

You also can't take away from him, is his ability to design technologies to be cool. Computers used to be ugly, and most PC boxes still is ugly, industrial looking, something you stick under the desk. Yes, you can argue there are pretty PC cases but those are few and far between and mostly for self built. The majority are just bad, really bad.

Apple just made tech easier for the masses. It may not seem like much for people in this forum, who are pronominally technical minded, but it is a big draw for the average Joe.
 
There's fanboys on both sides. But it's usually the haters with the militant view and some of us argue there silly points. Then we get called fanboys.

Fair point. In my experience its been the other way round, but I don't see that sort of reaction to any other brand criticism which baffles me.
 
Yet another discussion turned into an Apple v everyone else fanboy war.

Kind of relevant this time though.
Need to agree what apple have done, before you can discuss the future.

But I agree it is annoying most of the time. See my thread about phone hardware in phone section, for a very annoying reply.
 
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