Nexus Prime

Nexus18 · 6 Oct 2011 at 16:15

True that mrk, it was more a stupid time releasing the nexus s with dual core around the corner though.

All current dual core mobiles will probably get ICS at some point, but what about future updates and getting them quickly and not wondering if you will even get it.

And yes I know that with ICS google and the rest of the companies have stated that every mobile will get updates as long as the mobile isn't older than 18 months and as long as hardware supports it or whatever it is.

However I still don't believe that because there have been many times with a lot of android mobiles where the company have used that lame excuse "hardware doesn't support it" which is pure BS e.g. the desire with 2.3, spica with 2.2 etc. they will still use those excuses even when us (the tech level headed people) know fine well that it isn't true just so that they can promote their newer mobiles, concentrate more on them, which in the end leads to them getting more money and they don't have to worry about supporting mobiles that are over a year old, heck even 5 months old porbably.

reflux · 6 Oct 2011 at 16:19

I wonder how long it will take the GS2 to get ICS.

I bet it'll be a while.

mrk · 6 Oct 2011 at 16:20

reflux said:
I wonder how long it will take the GS2 to get ICS.

I bet it'll be a while.

I bet it will be not very long at all.

The XDA people will not allow such a delay and with the current trend of leaked "official" Samsung ROMs (currently 2.3.5) I can't imagine it taking long either.

Robbo · 6 Oct 2011 at 16:23

reflux said:
I wonder how long it will take the GS2 to get ICS.

I bet it'll be a while.

mrk said:
I bet it will be not very long at all.

The XDA people will not allow such a delay and with the current trend of leaked "official" Samsung ROMs (currently 2.3.5) I can't imagine it taking long either.

I totally agree with mrk, it'll be pretty damn fast, even more so if those specs are right.

Cosimo · 6 Oct 2011 at 16:28

mrk said:
Well the Nexus S wasn't really the flagship phone people were expecting either when it was launched either was it? All phones get ICS released to them anyway so ICS being on the Prime isn't a unique selling point.

No it wasn't. It was more about Gingerbread rather than a power phone and it's exactly the same with the Prime. This is primarily a launch pad for LCS.

kona786 · 6 Oct 2011 at 16:30

Kmodo said:
Is the CPU/GPU equal to the SGS2 or is it worse?

cpu is pretty much the same - however the gpu in the SGSII is a lot more powerful.

Nexus18 said:
Yeah as said it does seem pointless changing from a gs 2 to this, but personally for me I would still take the prime (if I didn't have any of the other dual core mobiles) for these reasons:

- 720P curved screen
- Stock google mobile (a very big plus for me)

Also don't forget that this mobile is clean android, no bloat, no custom skins so therefore the speed shouldn't be that much different if anything it should perform very similarly maybe even better than the top dual core mobiles at the minute.

It will no doubt be the largest drain, but the same goes for other mobiles like the sensation, but again you don't have all the custom company stuff running on the mobile like with the GS 2 hubs, touchwiz etc. on HTC devices you have sense running, which is a battery drain as well.

touchwiz on the SGSII has a lot of extra worthwhile features - the so called bloatware has no effect on anything apart from instant google updates.

reflux said:
I wonder how long it will take the GS2 to get ICS.

I bet it'll be a while.

I for one am in no rush for ICS - happy on gingerbread. All the features are there and it works perfect.

kona786 · 6 Oct 2011 at 16:31

simulatorman said:
No it wasn't. It was more about Gingerbread rather than a power phone and it's exactly the same with the Prime. This is primarily a launch pad for LCS.

Exactly.

Nexus18 · 6 Oct 2011 at 16:34

Yeah at XDA it should be up straight away no doubt (granted with problems, so probably about a month till everything is working), but I would say at least a month for the official leaked one, however going by the same updates in the past for both the GS and GS 2, it took at least another 3 in until everything was working the way it should.

Nexus18 · 6 Oct 2011 at 16:37

kona786 said:
touchwiz on the SGSII has a lot of extra worthwhile features - the so called bloatware has no effect on anything apart from instant google updates.

Yes it does, however it is taking up resources, which could go towards other things and could save battery life by not having that touchwiz/features there.

I also meant by having apps and other things there which are put on by the networks and company.

kona786 · 6 Oct 2011 at 16:41

Nexus18 said:
Yes it does, however it is taking up resources, which could go towards other things and could save battery life by not having that touchwiz/features there.

Explain how it uses extra battery if you don't use the bloatware apps?

Nexus18 said:
I also meant by having apps and other things there which are put on by the networks and company.

If your worried about that buy unbranded handsets to get rid of network crap. and you can freeze the rest

Robbo · 6 Oct 2011 at 16:45

Is having ICS a month~ early really worth it though? A month isn't all that long.

Having said that, for me, I'd still be tempted by the Nexus Prime as long as it says Google on the back and the screen looks decent, it should do.

That screen is going to be a boss for heavy web browsing.

Kreeeee · 6 Oct 2011 at 16:53

It won't though, it won't look much different to the SGSII screen at 200 in LCD Density Changer. Small text on Pentile screens is nasty so you will have to zoom in a decent amount for it to look good.

It will be incredible for high res images, video and games though.

fez · 6 Oct 2011 at 16:56

kona786 said:
Explain how it uses extra battery if you don't use the bloatware apps?

If your worried about that buy unbranded handsets to get rid of network crap. and you can freeze the rest

A lot of manufacturer branded phones will have apps that cannot be removed and others that a simply left running as background services. Androids power management relies quite a lot on the developer to ensure that it drains as little power as possible, piggybacks other applications use of the wake command to update info etc.

My nexus one runs a lot more smoothly on stock gingerbread that any of the sense ui builds. Still rather quick to this day to be honest.

Robert · 6 Oct 2011 at 16:58

OMGZ THIS IS OLD TECH!

May wait to see what this is like, but can't see why I'd go for it over the SGS2 (other than stock android)

e36Adz · 6 Oct 2011 at 16:58

The screen is the deciding factor for me. I will have to see one in store first before I decide to buy by the looks of it. I like the high res screen on the iP4 and clarity of text, and I like the size of the screen on GS2. I was hoping the Prime takes the best from both.

Nexus18 · 6 Oct 2011 at 17:02

kona786 said:
Explain how it uses extra battery if you don't use the bloatware apps?

If your worried about that buy unbranded handsets to get rid of network crap. and you can freeze the rest

Em, just look at how much battery life is taken up by the wireless hubs or whatever it is called (aren't they running at times even when people aren't using it) and all for the GS 2, hence why people have solely rooted and put titanium on to freeze them as they were killing the battery life big time.

Sense is constantly running in the background with all its stuff.

Don't forget that these things takes up CPU and RAM, therefore it needs more juice from the battery, hence more drainage, where as with stock android you don't have any of these things and therefore less RAM and CPU usage so less power is needed.

And plus most of the time the stuff is poorly written so it is running in the background even though it isn't being used.

And not everyone can afford to pay outright for a mobile like a few people here that will cost £350+, so contract is the only way and all networks that I know off (apart from o2) put there crap on it.

And as I have stated before (same for others like jimlad) I am fed with rooting and flashing custom ROMs now, as nearly all the time there are some little problems that means you then have to try another ROM out and you can still encounter problems when you only root (well that is the case for me anyway).

I just want a pure stock android device which will have virtually no problems, if there are any, you know that they will be fixed as soon as possible and not have to wait for ages and stock android is the way it should be, you want certain features or something then simply download an app to do it, instead of having to faff about with rooting and flashing a ROM that has tweaks built in or whatever.

@Robbo

Why would you be tempted just because it says google on the back?

And indeed the screen is going to be awesome for that and games and films!

Robbo · 6 Oct 2011 at 17:03

Because, saying Google on the back is AWESOME. I like it.

mrk · 6 Oct 2011 at 17:04

The hubs etc do not consume any battery if they're not being used. I have never used them and at no point have I ever seen a Samsung app listed in the battery usage screen of Android! Now I just rmeove them via Titanium though because it just makes my weekly backup a bit cleaner (and smaller).

The only thing that did was Wi-Fi sharing but there was a bug with that in an old firmware and was fixed a long while ago.

fez · 6 Oct 2011 at 17:10

Nexus18 said:
And plus most of the time the stuff is poorly written so it is running in the background even though it isn't being used.

And as I have stated before (same for others like jimlad) I am fed with rooting and flashing custom ROMs now, as nearly all the time there are some little problems that means you then have to try another ROM out and you can still encounter problems when you only root (well that is the case for me anyway).

Im trying to decide what to replace the nexus one with at the moment and I agree with a lot of your points. I have given up on roms as 99% of them have issues in themselves and issues caused by a lot of software that runs on top.

You would flash and it would be fine for a few days and then a few little niggles would be found and then you realise that your nice keyboard software is dead and crashing every time you try to type.

If people want to understand the battery life on android just have a look on the developer sites. Because of the extensive use of live data and constant updates in a lot of smartphone software, its necessary to wake the phone periodically to retrieve info.

This requires turning on the radios, fetching data and updating as needs be. Say you have 30 applications all wanting to do the same and they are all set to run at 5 minute intervals. Potentially you could have to boot up the radio 12 times an hour or potentially 360. Thats quite a large range. Things like this will be very important to your battery life.

Nexus18 · 6 Oct 2011 at 17:11

Robbo said:
Because, saying Google on the back is AWESOME. I like it.

ANDROID/GOOGLE FANBOY!

mrk said:
The hubs etc do not consume any battery if they're not being used. I have never used them and at no point have I ever seen a Samsung app listed in the battery usage screen of Android! Now I just rmeove them via Titanium though because it just makes my weekly backup a bit cleaner (and smaller).

The only thing that did was Wi-Fi sharing but there was a bug with that in an old firmware and was fixed a long while ago.

Yeah I said "or whatever it is"

I knew it was something to do with wifi but couldn't remember exactly what it was.

I just remember a lot of people complaining about bad battery drain in the GS 2 thread and that you had to root and put titanium backup on to freeze the app or remove it.

That just shows my point though, if you didn't have that, there would be no battery drain in the first place!