RIP Steve Jobs.

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^ Liver not kidney.

Looks like Stephen Fry's site has fell over, I was finishing the 2nd page.

Will be preordering that book soon looks like a very personal insight in to SJ. The author has given out a few stories / paragraphs to Time whereby he discusses his last interview 4 weeks ago, very sad indeed. Time are also releasing a cover dedicated to Steve, should be out soon. That is a keep sake for sure.
 
You can't really lump 'intelligent' and 'objective' together. After all, you can say very intelligent things on a subject which aren't at all objective, and vice versa!

Stephen Fry's commentary isn't objective, but it is intelligent. And that's fine, because I don't necessarily need it to be objective. If I wanted to know whether to buy the latest iPad, then I'd want an objective review, and I certainly wouldn't go to Stephen Fry to get it. But it isn't a review - it's a personal recollection, with few facts and many opinions, and there's no explicit or implicit claim that it is level-headed or objective.

Everybody has things which they are passionate about.
 
kylew said:
Yeah of course, but in which case we're talking about different people who made different posts.

I'm talking about the ones for example where some one said they don't understand why people are admiring him so much and discussed him using his wealth to get a kidney, about how he ripped off Wozniak with the Atari contract, how he treated his wife and daughter, all level headed points that were matter of fact observations, yet a bunch of idiots called him him to be banned for it simply because it was "negative".

That's the type of thing I'm arguing about.
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Ah okay. Well, it's probably considered poor form to bring that up immediately after his death, it points to the person having a bit of an ulterior motive with what they are getting at.

If people really think badly of him, they're better off not saying anything than wading in and winding people up. As the old saying goes, if you haven't got anything nice to say...
 
Mattus said:
You can't really lump 'intelligent' and 'objective' together. After all, you can say very intelligent things on a subject which aren't at all objective, and vice versa!

Stephen Fry's commentary isn't objective, but it is intelligent. And that's fine, because I don't necessarily need it to be objective. If I wanted to know whether to buy the latest iPad, then I'd want an objective review, and I certainly wouldn't go to Stephen Fry to get it. But it isn't a review - it's a personal recollection, with few facts and many opinions, and there's no explicit or implicit claim that it is level-headed or objective.

Everybody has things which they are passionate about.
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Not sure what the nature of the discussion is here, but this post is well put together makes a lot of sense to me.
 
Mattus said:
You can't really lump 'intelligent' and 'objective' together. After all, you can say very intelligent things on a subject which aren't at all objective, and vice versa!

Stephen Fry's commentary isn't objective, but it is intelligent. And that's fine, because I don't necessarily need it to be objective. If I wanted to know whether to buy the latest iPad, then I'd want an objective review, and I certainly wouldn't go to Stephen Fry to get it. But it isn't a review - it's a personal recollection, and there's no explicit or implicit claim that it is level-headed or objective.

Everybody has things which they are passionate about.
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But by claiming people who don't share his opinion are idiots is basically the foundation of pseudo-intellectualism.

" The use of that last phrase, “style over substance” has always been, as Oscar Wilde observed, a marvellous and instant indicator of a fool. For those who perceive a separation between the two have either not lived, thought, read or experienced the world with any degree of insight, imagination or connective intelligence." says it all really. There is such a thing as style of substance, or more commonly known as form over functionality. The phrase is most certainly not an indicator of a fool, and it doesn't matter how he tries to dress up his words to make himself appear intelligent. It's as if he thinks the "size" of your vocabulary is an indication of your mental capacity.
 
Robbo said:
Ah okay. Well, it's probably considered poor form to bring that up immediately after his death, it points to the person having a bit of an ulterior motive with what they are getting at.

If people really think badly of him, they're better off not saying anything than wading in and winding people up. As the old saying goes, if you haven't got anything nice to say...
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Well yeah, it's just some people are acting like this is his funeral service (and I believe some people genuinely believe it some how is, in their own weird way).

But ultimately, it's a thread, the discussion is on topic and people should be free to post what they want as long as they're not breaking the forum rules.
 
I'm still pretty dumbfounded how everyone is so sad he's died. He was the face of an evil mega corporation in my eyes. It's never nice when anyone dies but people are treating him like he's bigger than Jesus or something.
 
exhashdotdot said:
I'm still pretty dumbfounded how everyone is so sad he's died. He was the face of an evil mega corporation in my eyes. It's never nice when anyone dies but people are treating him like he's bigger than Jesus or something.
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I fully agree.

To copy and paste something I wrote on a friend's facebook:

He was the head of a giant electronics company, which achieved market dominance in certain areas with premium, highly marked up products with 'minimalist' design and a focus on ease-of-use.

IMO, 'innovation' ceased in 2006 when apple abandoned powerpc in favour of intel chips, effectively removing the last technological discriminator between it and the other huge tech companies (samsung sony etc.). The mac os of recent years is little more than a nice-looking GUI for UNIX, but since almost all day-to-day activity is performed through a web browser anyway this is moot. In the company's rapid expansion, everything which originally set it apart as being trendy was lost in the name of market cap, with exclusivity thanks to a premium price point and high build quality taking over.

This outpouring of messages on facebook from the apple generation is a display the greater success of the firm, which is built on marketing, brand loyalty, and cultish live events. Sculley said himself "People talk about technology, but Apple was a marketing company. It was the marketing company of the decade." That was 1997.

I was infinitely more sad when Troy Davis was wrongly executed after 20 years on death row (21 Sep), but where was the public outpouring for him?
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Serious question, why is everyone God-worshipping Steve Jobs?

He attached a hard drive to an MP3 player then later on added a phone.

It's not like he cured cancer.
 
I brought my first computer an iBook from MM years ago and was not aware of Jobs at that time, but after using my iBook and becoming an apple fan I became a big fan of his. Whatever you think of apple as a business Steve Jobs had a lot of passion for his designs and products, this showed at every keynote and every product luanch. His enthusiasm for what he did was infectious and made fans of millions incuding me. His passing is very tragic and made even more so when I wonder what he could have created had he lived - RIP Mr.Jobs :(
 
exhashdotdot said:
I'm still pretty dumbfounded how everyone is so sad he's died. He was the face of an evil mega corporation in my eyes. It's never nice when anyone dies but people are treating him like he's bigger than Jesus or something.
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Is it cool to be like that in your circle of friends?

:rolleyes:
 
exhashdotdot said:
I'm still pretty dumbfounded how everyone is so sad he's died. He was the face of an evil mega corporation in my eyes. It's never nice when anyone dies but people are treating him like he's bigger than Jesus or something.
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So he has done nothing in your eyes to improve and push forward technology today?

I think you need to open your eyes if you think he has done nothing.


Also I found out a new fact today, courtesy of Stephen Fry:

"It was on a NeXt machine that the British computer scientist Tim Berners-Lee wrote the protocols, procedures and languages that added up to the World Wide Web, http, HTML, browsers, hyperlinks … in other words the way forward for the internet, the most significant computer program ever written was done on a NeXt computer. That is a feather in Steve Jobs’s cap that is not often celebrated and indeed one that he himself signally failed to know about for some time."
 
Too much moderation in this thread, shall close this here as being disrespectful towards someones death is not on; no matter who they are.
 
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