Well yes there will always be people who want everything banned. The morals behind the blocking of porn has nothing to do with any tangible fact as far as I'm aware. They are simply 'because' we think they should be restricted. Yet violence certainly has far more weight behind why it should be blocked but it is just ignored. That is a double standard to me. The one with more reason to restrict access isn't restricted at all while the other is just restricted because it always has been.
ISPs to offer facility to block access to pornography
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Well yes there will always be people who want everything banned. The morals behind the blocking of porn has nothing to do with any tangible fact as far as I'm aware. They are simply 'because' we think they should be restricted. Yet violence certainly has far more weight behind why it should be blocked but it is just ignored. That is a double standard to me. The one with more reason to restrict access isn't restricted at all while the other is just restricted because it always has been.
How's it a downward spiral, nothing has changed in the last few days. I'm not ignoring it, your argument just makes no sense in relation to what is contained in OP, and trying to use it as an argument against the op is stupid. It's a different topic. As such would have a different result.
Please tell me how the change for the 4 ISP is a slippery start. How has this changed anything, from the old and basically identical system.
It is restricted, there are lots of rules and ratings for violence and again this is not forced censorship, which again nullifies your argument.
Real or fake violence? Maybe they could/will block fight videos too.
But what do these rules and ratings apply to? Films and Games yes, but what about the internet?
Games are not seen as Internet based format, all though that will change with time. Remember pressure groups and politics are always behind on technology. As well as how you would even ban it. The difference in morals and let's face facts, most morals aren't based on anything apart from opinion and the fact one is clearly fake and seen as an entertainment where porn is very much classed as something else.
And you end up with this situation and I don't see it as double standards as they are so different, even when being age restricted.
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It's ablution of responsibility from the parents and this is becoming increasingly common. Your kids fat? Not your problem, the supermarkets make it too easy to get cheap fatty food. Little Johnny is behind and misbehaving at school? Not your problem as he has ADHD & Dyslexia and so he will always behave that way.
The government are willing to apply a carte blanche solution to a problem that effects a minority oif feckless parents who aren't willing to put steps in place to prevent unsupervised Internet access. Doesn't even need to be technical - stick the damn computer in the living room.
Fox is right. What is so bad about naked ladies that it requires UK internet users to opt-in (if the Government gets their way) to see websites that are OK for adults? There are bigger problems and one of them is the over sexualisation of children. Blocking access to You**** isn't going to help with that, is it?
Smoke and mirrors.
ISPs agree to have an opt in option at sign up to try and appease government sentiment
People chose to opt in but their kids still manage to somehow get hold of Internet porn.
parents complain and say ISP filtering is not working correctly.
Government steps in, cue cameron making some fluffy speech to all the voting mothers about protecting their kids from internet filth
ISP told to make filters a lot more broad sweeping or make it opt out
ISP refuses saying it will be far to restrictive.
Government accuses ISP for being porn pushing kiddy fiddlers and legislates for mandatory filtering for all with opt out.
so you see how easy it is to arrive at the conclusion that nothing good will come from this.
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Probably because of hang-ons from our repressed Victorian morality. That and those who shout loudest from places like Mumsnet have massive issues with sex and nudity for some reason.
It isn't easy at all, that's a lot of ifs, may Ws and assumptions. It's an extra tool. If/when government try introducing something which is to strict. That is the time to write to mps. This on the other hand is a totally sensible approach and makes perfect sense.
The next thing will be The Sun becomes a topshelfer because it has titties, and you can't take your kids to a swimming pool because of the scantily clad women.
Not really, because Cameron is already shouting that it should be opt out, but you seem to be missing that fact continuously. The government is already saying they think it should be opt out, they aren't saying lets see how we go, they aren't saying good job to the ISPs and giving them a pat on the back, they are saying to various concerned groups that they believe it should be opt out.
That is a fact of statement that has been reported in virtually every single media outlet today / yesterday
I'm not missing the fact at all, it's irrelevant to the op and what has been introduced. If you want to talk about that and go off topic. No problems and I agree with you. But to try and use it to some how say what has happen in the op is wrong or bad. Is rather silly. Nothings changed. It's always been there.
but its optinal to opt in to view porn it should be the other way and you can view porn by default....
i will bne opting in because i want to view porn , my router allows me to disable adult content anyway so my kids computers wont be able to view porn but i will , win win
.it wont be long until they start censoring other parts of the internet to i bet this will just be a first step towards a chinese firewall
So long as its opt in then I don't have an issue.
Though one point I would make is that a child who is capable of circumventing a computer based filer will likely be capable of circumventing anything ISP based too.... It won't filter everything and there are plenty of means by which porn etc.. can be distributed. proxys, VPNs, ssh tunneling, usenet groups etc..etc...
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It's time to write to your MP long before anything such as opt-out becomes law. Somebody has to make a stand against the tide of legislation rushed through to either "protect us from terrorists" or "protect the children"
What about my right to an uncensored (within reason - see earlier posts about IWF) Internet? Why is my right lesser than somebody who has children yet cannot take responsibility to raise them but can be very vocal to MP's who are keen to get votes?
Yes it is a good tool for responsible parents and as long as it remains optional and opt-in I have no issues. What will probably happen is feckless parents will assume this counts as being responsible and will take no extra steps to make sure little Billy isn't up to no good on the PC in his room.
Agreed and I don't have an issue with that. What I have an issue with is people trying to link such laws to what has actually happened in the op. It's not law, it's optional and ontop of that it's sensible way of doing it. Much rather this system was spread out to phones as well.
By all means we can go off topic and discuss those issues as well, but don't link them to the op.
By all means we can go off topic and discuss those issues as well, but don't link them to the op.
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Opt-out on mobile data really winds me up. I'm an adult if I want porn delivered to my iPad I shouldn't need to telephone a Call Centre monkey and get a credit check done.
As for the Opt-Out debate well it is what Cameron wants. Probably as an attempt to win votes from the Mumsnet brigade or less likely but still possible as a backdoor to getting a Great Firewall of UK in place.
Is that your best argument.
Exactly, thankfully giffgaff was nice and easy to optout. Still rather have a pure choice rather than opt in/out
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