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7800's coming before year out? whats the crack?

m3sSh3aD

m3sSh3aD

m3sSh3aD

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Hey,

I been looking on the net and cant find anything solid, tbh, i cant find a lot on the net these days. I heard the 7800's would be out before the years out, I go on my travels for 2 months at the end of december and i was hoping to have a play with a few of these before i go. Now i hear they may be delayed as well to next year, or maybe not.

Anything solid?
 
I think they should have talks with GlobalFoundries about their GPU production as well, TSMC aren't up to it when things get this small apparently. But no, it won't be this year.
 
I think we may see some low end parts before 2011 is out but nothing worth buying. I say this only because the latest aida64 releases support the 7400 or something
 
They came out Sept did you miss it? oh wait...

nVidia supposedly has *a* 28nm product coming out roughly Nov but I suspect its a low end part.
 
harmony said:
TSMC is worse than you guys think.
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Thats not possible ;) TSMC have been cack for minimum 4 years now, they have finally increased R&D spending and have, iirc built one gigafab and are building another gigafab and all largely in response to Glofo and Samsung deciding to get in the game. But as with Glofo and Samsung the increased spending doesn't appear overnight, I think TSMC started their increased R&D spending early last year, but at that stage the research money will be largely in 22nm and beyond, same with Glofo they may have taken over several years ago but 32nm was largely set in stone at that point(and a lot of time and effort spent on 32nm bulk which got thrown out the window).

From here on in everyones having trouble, roadmaps for processes are going to be going backwards and we may end up seeing tick-tock-tock-tick from Intel(ie more generations on a single process). I think as of a few years ago 22nm was supposed to have launched late 2010, AMD's 32nm well over a year ago, TSMC/Glofo 32nm bulk well over a year ago(with 40nm being a year + late to start with).

Jokester said:
GloFo can't even make enough CPUs for AMD, let alone GPUs. As gurusan says, possibly low end parts out next month.
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Thats all well and good, but Glofo both, do make enough CPU's for AMD, just not the right kinda of CPU, they've had excess stock of Phenoms and plenty of capacity, but no where near enough Llanos. Thing is, GloFo to date haven't made any discrete GPU's for AMD and theres seemingly no plan to till towards the end of 2012(when the New York fab is up and running, installing testing kit now, ramping production through probably Q2 onwards next year and full scale production q3-q4 next year).

This gen is afaik, all TSMC, who should have had 28nm out by now.

Rroff said:
They came out Sept did you miss it? oh wait...

nVidia supposedly has *a* 28nm product coming out roughly Nov but I suspect its a low end part.
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No one said Sept, people said likely Q4, potentially late Q3, all depends on TSMC.

As far as we know, the more reliable rumours around are, 680gtx not taped out, so thats no time soon, AMD stuff is taped out, theres a possibility that only means the 7870 but probably 7970 aswell, which process they've taped out for doesn't matter as much as when either process becomes available at this stage. Generally speaking AMD are waiting on TSMC for high end parts, and Nvidia aren't ready even if TSMC were.

Thing is, a big delay would normally have been announced by TSMC by now, so I really don't know if TSMC isn't really producing 28nm yet, or its absolutely crap, or they've just decided to milk Apple for all they are worth, bump wafer prices up so high AMD can't afford them and Apple are eating them all up.
 
I've been trying to follow this as i'll certainly be interested in one of the new mid-range ATI parts but i'm not sure at all what's happening.

First of all, we were meant to see something 7800 series flavoured before the end of the year, with the 7900s following late Q1/early Q2 2012. But then we were told that the release had been "pushed back" to 2012.

Now I don't know, however, if that means either:

1) The 7000 series have all been pushed back, so we should expect 7800 in Q1 and 7900 in Q2.
2) Just the 7800s have been pushed back, so we'll see them all at the same time in Q1/Q2.
3) People are just reporting what we already know about the 7900s - i.e that they're not coming until next year. The schedule for the 7800s remains unchanged.
 
So sorry if this sounds silly but i've done some reading and from what i understand is it TSMC who actually 'put' together the CPU's for AMD and AMD mearly do the research and the designing of the chips and then they give TSMC the 'blueprints' to put them together? and are GLOFO putting the Llanos together but they arent doing it at a fast enough rate to keep up with AMD's demand or are they keeping up with demand but arent doing it at a satisfactory quality so AMD's not happy? and what do TSMC produce? are they making GPU's for AMD at the moment but they arent able to handle sub 32nm procesess?

Many Thanks!
 
AMD have said they expect to have 28nm GPU's out in the market by Q4 2011 which most likely means December. That's all the news there is at the moment and only thing that concrete.
 
m3sSh3aD said:
Thats what i was after, cheers ;)
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"28nm GPUs" does not necessarily mean the high-end cards. It seems likely that lower-end GPUs will appear first (die shrinks of Cayman architecture), with the high end GPUs to follow a few months later, once the manufacturing process has stabilised.
 
Duff-Man said:
"28nm GPUs" does not necessarily mean the high-end cards. It seems likely that lower-end GPUs will appear first (die shrinks of Cayman architecture), with the high end GPUs to follow a few months later, once the manufacturing process has stabilised.
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Thats exactly what im after them for. Not the new architechre, Im not gaming with my cards. The new 7900 series i can see being a stinker for what im after it for :)
 
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