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Who's going to buy the BullDozer?

For anyone whos interested in buying Bulldozer..it seems that its possible getting (much) better results if NOT using Asus mobo with BD. More information here.

Edit: most of the tests in several sites used Asus mobo..
 
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Mollari said:
For anyone whos interested in buying Bulldozer..it seems that its possible getting (much) better results if NOT using Asus mobo with BD. More information here.

Edit: most of the tests in several sites used Asus mobo..
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thats not a big differece tbh

what u gain on one u lose on the other

it's most likely a bios issue on the CH V
 
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I too am slightly disappointed by BD performance, but I have still bought one for my new build :P

Got the 8150 to go in my Crosshair V. Now it seems the worst choice of mobo for this cpu. Damn it all.
 
Pants said:
I'm surprised a at the increase in gaming performance for bulldozer when it's running windows 8. Is this just because the scheduler is allowing 'turbo' to work better on lightly threaded apps?
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It's partly that Windows 8 is giving different high performance tasks their own modules rather than different cores on the same module, which effectively increases the IPC. Windows 8 is also better able to combine basic tasks onto a single module, letting the CPU put more modules into lower power states and increase the turbo clock speed on the active modules. This last point also helps with power consumption.
 
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(i have to state i am not a fan boy of anything)

But i don't think BD should be ruled out as a contender for best/very good CPU just yet.

I have little tech knowledge to back my statement up, but BD being "terrible" just does not add up......

My logic..
AMD are not stupid nor are the people that work for them (maybe some will be but most will not be), nor do they have a lack of funds.
If they had what they knew to be a bad CPU why would clever people release it, knowing it could kill the AMD CPU totally, especially if they could have just boosted an existing CPU to by them another year or 2....or released BD at a very competitive price.
I think the answer is that they would have not released BD if this were the case.
So, this only leaves out that; it is/can be as impressive as they think it is... which could mean the Benchmarks we are seeing are teething problems......

I would not buy a BD just yet though, as i would want to make sure they are not going to make modifications and then release revision 1.2.0, etc......

I think BIOS may have a lot to do with it and possibly the total mother board (maybe some recalls coming soon or "AM3++")

Correct me if i am wrong, but i read that the BD can draw upto 300-400 watts on load (if OC'ed), and without melting.....
Would any other CPU manage this without FIRE!
I know just because a CPU can handle high current does not make it good, but surely a CPU that can handle this has potential (maybe in version 2+)

Just my gut feelings that a company the size of AMD would not put their own nails in their own coffin, when it could have been avoided. (unless "Reggie Perrin" is running the show, yet i see no AMD Branded slippers made from Marsh Mellow, free with every purchase)

I would take a small bet that over the coming months/year that BD comments will go from:
"Oh no", to "Ohhhh" to "OMG!"

Lets hope so as a world with only Intel/Skynet does not sound good.....
 
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Considering the performance of a Bulldozer on a Gigabyte board is ahead of a 2500k, I'd have no reservations getting one avoiding the Asus [review] board until it's bios is fixed.
 
the difference between the two boards suggests that there are issues with the BIOS on the ASUS board, but still just goes to show there is performance to be had. also the increase in performance with Windows 8, again shows it can be a good performing chip, the fact it competes well in multi-threaded applications already suggests we are only seeing the very first of what Bulldozer has to offer.

anyone seen any reviews with Supreme Commander as a benchmark? that game loves cores so expect the 8150 to do well in that, get rid of the power consumption problems and leakage, so we can have a cooler running processor with better clocking and I might consider it, there is no point in getting the 8150 though at all, you'd have to be mental to do that! since the 8120 is the exact same chip and they are all multi unlocked so there is no incentive to go for the higher end one, except it might be slightly better silicon. like I keep saying the doom and gloom is all premature. ;)
 
Agreed, 8150 isn't a good buy but the 8120 (multiplier set to 8150 speed) is definitely a great value chip on the right motherboard.
 
...actually from the reviews it would appear it's only the Asus with a bugged BIOS as the ASrock performs solidly too.
 
would be (actually am) tempted to get myself a 8120 sometime in the not too distant future, since I use water am tempted to see how much you can get out of them, but don't want to go for it for a number of months yet, think the silicon is too young at the moment, want Global to improve the process first. ;)

Edit: that is interesting information cause I currently have ASrock AM3+ board in my system!
 
I think Overclockers sum it up well i.e. not jumping on the OTT doomsday bandwagon:

With all of that said, the overclocker in me is just screaming so what if it just competes with the i5 2500K and doesn’t topple the i7 2600K?! It clocks like a madman. It does its job at the right price for the performance it offers. So, because we try to review based on what a product is relative to what it offers at its price point – and not based on what people with nothing but hopes and dreams expected and/or hoped it would be – it’s safe to call Bulldozer another solid offering from AMD.
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And they were using the Asus board.

I'm with you though Gashman, I'll give it a few months to see how soft and hard fixes favour the new chip.
 
so with a different mobo performance increases for most part by several %, seems like BD might turn out to be semi decent buy after all once the dust has settled. I myself will probably wait till prices come down and new stepping and more mature 32nm comes about should help with the power usage. :D
 
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so with a different mobo performance increases for most part by several %, seems like BD might turn out to be semi decent buy after all once the dust has settled. I myself will probably wait till prices come down and new stepping and more mature 32nm comes about should help with the power usage. :D
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a wise choice I reckon, the difference in benchmarks (considering most of the reviews I have read use the bugged ASUS boards!) are too inconsistent I think to give an indication of true overall performance, there seems too much variance between them to be honest and they all seem to use the same motherboard which has been found to be one of the slower available for whatever reason. so based on what we seen from the Gigabyte board lets say at the moment Bulldozer is ~5 - 10% faster than what the ASUS board is showing it to be.
 
I like expensive and ornamental paperweights, got a little collection going... I wont be purchasing a BD though, they're not really heavy enough.
 
BigAndy87 said:
so with a different mobo performance increases for most part by several %, seems like BD might turn out to be semi decent buy after all once the dust has settled. I myself will probably wait till prices come down and new stepping and more mature 32nm comes about should help with the power usage. :D
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as i said windows 8 help with the power usage also performance. and when better bios come you'll see better performance on asus CH V board.

tbh i don't see much wrong with BD. it's windows/software/bios thats the issue here really
 
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as i said windows 8 help with the power usage also performance. and when better bios come you'll see better performance.

tbh i don't see much wrong with BD. it's windows/software/bios thats the issue here really
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If only they'd have time to sort that, oh wait.
Every excuse going has been said, except the simple fact AMD messed up, even if it is BIOS/Software, WHY launch it in this state? There's not even stock in the UK for Christ sake, delaying it a few weeks wouldn't have been any difference.

W8 is out next year, late 2012, don't be counting on W8 to justify BD.
Give it a month, I still think BD won't be much better, still around the same/slower than Phenom II IPC with around the same multithreaded performance.

Honestly, it's not like its went from brilliant to crap over night, it was set to launch as it is.
 
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