Unfortunately greed is the issue. A perfect socialist society would be brilliant for most, unfortunately that will never happen so a capitalist society with socialist influences will be the best option IMO. In anything but a perfect socialist society there will always be an elite and there in lies the problem. Live with it and try and become one of the elite so you can try and change things for the "better".
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This is why Africa is what most here would consider a "dump" (going by the racist white European standards). Personally I don't believe there was anything wrong with pre-whiteman Africa. I don't recall them destroying whole eco-systems. It's when whites tried to force European civilization on to them that the population exploded and it turned in to such a mess of suffering. They are not evolutionarily hard-wired for it.
The evolutionary stressor of those cold Euro winters shaped Euro brains to literally think too much. They see everything as a problem to be solved, and every problem "solved" creates more problems. The harsh winter environment didn't just create a compulsion for problem solving, but also a compulsion for greed. The ones that hoarded the most food for the winter survived and procreated the most and passed on the greedy evolutionary behavior.
The evolutionary stressor of those cold Euro winters shaped Euro brains to literally think too much. They see everything as a problem to be solved, and every problem "solved" creates more problems. The harsh winter environment didn't just create a compulsion for problem solving, but also a compulsion for greed. The ones that hoarded the most food for the winter survived and procreated the most and passed on the greedy evolutionary behavior.
Africa is far from a dump everyone who I know who has been there considers it a tragedy that such a wonderful environment is seen solely in the light on one particular species who populates it.
That is a big assumption - pre "whiteman" well what you are talking about there is damage not done by "whiteman" but damage done on a society by people who had the knowledge of industry and its application - the same happened in Asia and South America. And there is evidence from areas of dense population of environmental damage pre-dating colonisation like there are in all areas of the world when humanity congregated in small areas. Or where any large numbers of animals congregate.
The population explosion was mostly due to immunisation without sufficient thought to the consequences. Something that has happened elsewhere - hardly the fault of the "whiteman" is it. Just one of those things that looks easy and very different with the benefit of hindsight.
To say that Africans are not "evolutionary wired for it" shows either one or two things: that you are racist and/or are completely uneducated when it comes to understanding evolution.
And the last part is just a load of juvenile male bovine claptrap. You will be able to provide no evidence to support that twaddle whatsoever of real value and once again show that you really don't understand evolution.
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This is why Africa is what most here would consider a "dump" (going by the racist white European standards). Personally I don't believe there was anything wrong with pre-whiteman Africa. I don't recall them destroying whole eco-systems. It's when whites tried to force European civilization on to them that the population exploded and it turned in to such a mess of suffering. They are not evolutionarily hard-wired for it.
The evolutionary stressor of those cold Euro winters shaped Euro brains to literally think too much. They see everything as a problem to be solved, and every problem "solved" creates more problems. The harsh winter environment didn't just create a compulsion for problem solving, but also a compulsion for greed. The ones that hoarded the most food for the winter survived and procreated the most and passed on the greedy evolutionary behavior.
you speak ****. i swear you talk out of your arse
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It could also easily be just a shade over 25%. Have you seen any real figures for the UK?
I'm just as curious
So you want to get rid of everything and start again from scratch? Just erase centuries of development in favour of what, exactly?
To all the cynics moaning about the "hippies":
Personally I'm being greedy. After years of furthering myself I've just started a good job and hopefully won't be scrimping and saving on no money a month...
Maybe if some of the protestors did the same we wouldn't be in this state in the first plece..
'Anti-capitalist protesters'- bunch of *****ing commie pinkos. The right to free speech should be reserved to people who use it for good reason rather than a bunch of whiners who just complain about everything that goes wrong pointing their finger at everyone else. When will people understand that it doesn't matter who's fault it is, and if we want to see things working again we have to pull together as a country and stop thinking that it is someone else's job to work for them and realise that they have to sort out their problems for themselves.
I bet you any money that if we did have a communist revolution, these would be like the pigs in Animal Farm who wouldn't bother working while the rest of us carry on working just as we were. The system we have works, capitalism has it's ups and downs, and things will pick up if we just knuckle down and get on with it. If they want communism then they can **** off to China and see how well it works there!
I bet you any money that if we did have a communist revolution, these would be like the pigs in Animal Farm who wouldn't bother working while the rest of us carry on working just as we were. The system we have works, capitalism has it's ups and downs, and things will pick up if we just knuckle down and get on with it. If they want communism then they can **** off to China and see how well it works there!
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Ah yes, Animal Farm. The book written by a very well known Socialist, i am familiar with it
Yer you tell 'em man! China sucks doesn't it: no industry, no economy, no financial reserves, stupidly small military capacity, no innovation, etc! Guess you can get killed by being run over a tank for protesting which is arguably worse than being bashed to death by a copper but you can't have it all can you!
Orwell was a socialist. Animal farm is more about Authoritarianism rather than communism .
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It's not just that the rich should be taxed more, they should never be allowed to obtain so much of our wealth in the first place, the system is flawed but i find greed and corruption to be the bigger issues, look at businesses and their billions in profits, thats wealth we could have used to buy more goods and services, so improving the economy and increasing our quality of life.
I think a real issue is wealth distribution and how it gets sucked up to fewer and fewer individuals and businesses, and let's not forget the waste, every penny spent on things like defence (look at the US) and bureaucracy is money spent with little to show for it, so much resources and man hours are wasted on rubbish in all areas of the economy, it's pathetic.
I think a real issue is wealth distribution and how it gets sucked up to fewer and fewer individuals and businesses, and let's not forget the waste, every penny spent on things like defence (look at the US) and bureaucracy is money spent with little to show for it, so much resources and man hours are wasted on rubbish in all areas of the economy, it's pathetic.
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Personally I'm being greedy. After years of furthering myself I've just started a good job and hopefully won't be scrimping and saving on no money a month...
Maybe if some of the protestors did the same we wouldn't be in this state in the first plece..
Save what? at 0.5%?
Yeah that's real fun.
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Save until he has the money to buy something he wants. Or save so that he always has money to buy what he wants. There is more to the concept of saving than just the interest rate you get, you know. Once you've got savings you can do a lot more.
I save as much as I can and don't buy anything without making sure I really want it first. As a result, irrespective of the interest rate, it means I always have enough money for almost anything I want to buy. Saving is good.
All of which was because the communist party HAD to let capitalism via the back door in order to survive. They're hanging in by the finger nails, i can't see communism in china surviving past this generation. But it won't be a sudden revolution, it will be gradual change like it has been happening for the past 20 years. I would say communism in china will be dead in about 30-40 years