Occupy London! Here we go again!

[TW]Fox · 16 Oct 2011 at 21:19

robgmun said:
All of which was because the communist party HAD to let capitalism via the back door in order to survive. They're hanging in by the finger nails, i can't see communism in china surviving past this generation. But it won't be a sudden revolution, it will be gradual change like it has been happening for the past 20 years. I would say communism in china will be dead in about 30-40 years

Ironically much of Chinas success comes from places like Shanghai which are special economic zones, little areas of China which are essentially capitalist..

StriderX · 16 Oct 2011 at 21:20

[TW]Fox;20324624 said:
Save until he has the money to buy something he wants. Or save so that he always has money to buy what he wants. There is more to the concept of saving than just the interest rate you get, you know. Once you've got savings you can do a lot more.

I save as much as I can and don't buy anything without making sure I really want it first. As a result, irrespective of the interest rate, it means I always have enough money for almost anything I want to buy. Saving is good.

Oh sure, but that of course defies our overlord's of capitalism wishes.

[TW]Fox · 16 Oct 2011 at 21:20

StriderX said:
Oh sure, but that of course defies our overlord's of capitalism wishes.

No it doesn't?

Radiation · 16 Oct 2011 at 21:20

Value should be properly quantised based on variables like resources used and work done with a bit of profit on top.

Just because something can be copied and sold multiple times doesn't mean profits should be endless.

StriderX · 16 Oct 2011 at 21:28

[TW]Fox;20324687 said:
No it doesn't?

Of course it does, if we don't spend all of our money the instant we get it, then its like sacrilege.

After all if we have some money, that means they have to share it, now who wants to share money/power?

If we aren't spending enormous percentages of our wages, then the economy cant be stabilised and then they cant be assured their dominance (if we assume money does equal power after all).

We live (perhaps lived) in a plutonomy, hell Citibanks memo pretty much explains the pains of having the population in the first place, they knew it was never going to last.

Amp34 · 16 Oct 2011 at 21:39

StriderX said:
Save what? at 0.5%?

Yeah that's real fun.

The money I don't spend on stuff... I dunno, better than living off a pittance...

robgmun · 16 Oct 2011 at 21:40

[TW]Fox;20324675 said:
Ironically much of Chinas success comes from places like Shanghai which are special economic zones, little areas of China which are essentially capitalist..

Precisely, communism is doomed to fail unless every country in the entire world is also communist. communism is horrible and just makes everyone misrable, these hippie students don't know any better because they never even seen examples of a pure communist country and what happens to the population. Most of here know because we are in our 30's and seen what USSR and China was like back in the 80's

And what strikes me is the hippocracy, they just want money given to them!!!! Without earning it!!!! Isn't that just as selfish and greedy as who they are complaining about?

http://the53.tumblr.com/

Naffa · 16 Oct 2011 at 21:45

Gundog48 said:
'Anti-capitalist protesters'- bunch of *****ing commie pinkos. The right to free speech should be reserved to people who use it for good reason rather than a bunch of whiners who just complain about everything that goes wrong pointing their finger at everyone else. When will people understand that it doesn't matter who's fault it is, and if we want to see things working again we have to pull together as a country and stop thinking that it is someone else's job to work for them and realise that they have to sort out their problems for themselves.

Rather ironically, you have just posted one of the most ignorant things I have ever read. Just out of interest, how do you define what a 'good reason' to use free speech is? Nobody is in a position to define such a thing.

Because I know it will warm your heart, I will post a quite by the rather marvelous socialist revolutionary, Rosa Luxemberg; 'Freedom is always the freedom of the one who thinks differently'. Rather elegantly quashing your comment in a single sentence.

As for the protests, if I wasn't so apathetic (and in Bordeaux), I would join one happily. But I'm resigned to believe that nothing short of a genuine revolution will produce any meaningful change whatsoever.

Jokester · 16 Oct 2011 at 21:45

What's the significance of the 53%?

PermaBanned · 16 Oct 2011 at 21:48

Naffa said:
As for the protests, if I wasn't so apathetic (and in Bordeaux), I would join one happily. But I resigned to believe that nothing short of a genuine revolution will produce any meaningful change whatsoever.

I would tend to agree with that, Naffa. Especially after yesterday's events reminding me why i stopped going to a lot of demonstrations in the first place (i might make a thread about it...), although of course - how do you know what will lead to a revolution? After all, Lenin was convinced that he wouldn't see one in his lifetime

[TW]Fox · 16 Oct 2011 at 21:51

StriderX said:
Of course it does, if we don't spend all of our money the instant we get it, then its like sacrilege.

If we dont spend all our money the instant we get it, we can buy bigger more expensive things. I just got back from a capitalist-tastic trip down the East Coast of the USA spending money on capitalist-tastic branded stores and resturants and hotels the whole time. If I didnt save money I'd not have had the money to do something so horribly capitalist.

Naffa · 16 Oct 2011 at 21:51

PermaBanned said:
I would tend to agree with that, Naffa. Especially after yesterday's events reminding me why i stopped going to a lot of demonstrations in the first place (i might make a thread about it...), although of course - how do you know what will lead to a revolution? After all, Lenin was convinced that he wouldn't see one in his lifetime

Fair point. I say only that I think action that would genuinely affect meaningful change is depressingly unlikely. Damn capitalists and their, err... Capital.

Glaucus · 16 Oct 2011 at 21:52

[TW]Fox;20324970 said:
If we dont spend all our money the instant we get it, we can buy bigger more expensive things. I just got back from a capitalist-tastic trip down the East Coast of the USA spending money on capitalist-tastic branded stores and resturants and hotels the whole time. If I didnt save money I'd not have had the money to do something so horribly capitalist.

Ohh when's the wright up.

PermaBanned · 16 Oct 2011 at 21:53

[TW]Fox;20324970 said:
If we dont spend all our money the instant we get it, we can buy bigger more expensive things. I just got back from a capitalist-tastic trip down the East Coast of the USA spending money on capitalist-tastic branded stores and resturants and hotels the whole time. If I didnt save money I'd not have had the money to do something so horribly capitalist.

Implying that you earn more than you need for just the necessities of life, which is a pretty arrogant thing to believe that everybody does.

badcompany · 16 Oct 2011 at 21:57

shoes said:
Frankly these hippies can go **** themselves and stop blaming the corporations for their own failures. Get back to school and study something other than art you thick *****.

Don't really get the point hey?

[TW]Fox · 16 Oct 2011 at 21:57

PermaBanned said:
Implying that you earn more than you need for just the necessities of life, which is a pretty arrogant thing to believe that everybody does.

Everyone on this forum does or we wouldn't have internet access, what a completely bizarre thing to say. We wouldn't be members of a forum dedicated to tech products if we only bought the necessities of life :confused:

We wouldn't even have access to it.

PermaBanned · 16 Oct 2011 at 22:00

[TW]Fox;20325020 said:
Everyone on this forum does or we wouldn't have internet access, what a completely bizarre thing to say. We wouldn't be members of a forum dedicated to tech products if we only bought the necessities of life

We wouldn't even have access to it.

We're not talking about members of the forum though, are we? We're talking about the occupiers. Also - i don't earn anything. I scrounge

[TW]Fox · 16 Oct 2011 at 22:14

PermaBanned said:
We're not talking about members of the forum though, are we? We're talking about the occupiers.

I'm talking about why saving money isn't anti capitalist. As for the occupiers, are you saying none of them have iPhones, Facebook access, branded clothing or anything at all bar the bear essentials of life?

Really?

Also - i don't earn anything. I scrounge

Maybe one day when you do you'll realise how tiresome, simplistic and bizarre your views can be.

Strife212 · 16 Oct 2011 at 22:16

FlyingPig said:
To all the cynics moaning about the "hippies":

Don't worry, I am, sitting comfy with my iPhone 4S and relaxing~

Xordium · 16 Oct 2011 at 22:18

[TW]Fox;20324675 said:
Ironically much of Chinas success comes from places like Shanghai which are special economic zones, little areas of China which are essentially capitalist..

Yes, but the message was to the original poster who seemed rather unaware of China's success or how it achieved it or even that China is not all that communist at all any more if it ever was. And it achieved it by changing things gradually and not doing a Russia and getting in a worse mess.