NYPD officer ko'd defensless protestor !!!

[Cas];20336276 said:
This whole police brutality thing is ridiculous. If the people weren't causing problems in the first place, nothing would happen. If I was to be offensive towards/assault a police officer, I would expect the same treatment back.

If people can't cope with the retaliation, they shouldn't have started. All this blaming someone else for themselves being a **** is pathetic. What ever happened to people being responsible for their own actions?
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I think your missing the point that they are supposed to be trained professionals and are paid to do a job, not act in an emotional and uncontrolled manner.

So if you were offensive towards a Police officer, then no, there would be no justification for them to be offensive back, no matter the provocation.

If you are attacking them, then yes, they are trained to use reasonable force and if it is reasonable is determined after the event.
 
shoes said:
No, it's perfectly simple - if protesters are being peaceful then leave them to it, if antisocial little ***** are rioting, looking, destroying other people's property, mugging etc. then wade in a beat the living daylights out of them, arrest them all and then maybe I (at least this member of the public) might consider they have done their job.

Up to now they pick on easy targets and leave the mob mentality to do what it wants.

It really isn't difficult, is it?
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In your own simple world, maybe not. The issues are in reality, of course, many and complicated.
 
cheets64 said:
Oh please, some of them they think they are the law when it comes to riots, they think they can get away with it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...s-killing-newspaper-seller-Ian-Tomlinson.html
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The man pushed someone out of the way and the person in question died, whether he died due to falling is open for debate.

So what would happen if your sitting in a pub and someone pushed into you and knocked your drink and you pushed them back and they fell over and died later that night? Would you like to be in court for killing that person?
 
teaboy5 said:
The man pushed someone out of the way and the person in question died, whether he died due to falling is open for debate.

So what would happen if your sitting in a pub and someone pushed into you and knocked your drink and you pushed them back and they fell over and died later that night? Would you like to be in court for killing that person?
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If a post mortem determined that his death was caused by injuries due to the fall and it was traced back to your incident, then yes, you would be court for manslaughter, I'm sure you wouldn't like it though ;)
 
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plod in the UK used to kick yer bum if you gave them any cheek...

How the world has turned

I can do to you what I want but the moment you retaliate I'll scream like a baby...
 
Robbie G said:
In your own simple world, maybe not. The issues are in reality, of course, many and complicated.
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lol in my own simple world?

I don't see the complexities here..... chavs with tools breaking into shops, stealing things, mugging people and the police stand there and watch. I don't see what's complicated about this situation - wade in and sort it out. Protect the public. The job of the police.

Peaceful protesters doing nothing wrong, why should they attack them? Again I don't see the complexities of this case.

A protester attacking the police should be knocked down hard and then arrested. Once again, seems pretty simple to me.

What have I missed here?
 
shoes said:
lol in my own simple world?

I don't see the complexities here..... chavs with tools breaking into shops, stealing things, mugging people and the police stand there and watch. I don't see what's complicated about this situation - wade in and sort it out. Protect the public. The job of the police.

Peaceful protesters doing nothing wrong, why should they attack them? Again I don't see the complexities of this case.

A protester attacking the police should be knocked down hard and then arrested. Once again, seems pretty simple to me.

What have I missed here?
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In both situations the Police need to clear streets. What if someone hanging around when the street is being cleared during the riots falls and dies?
 
So what if they do? It's not the police's fault, assuming of course they didn't take to them with a baton.

The point of the police being damned if they do and damned if they don't is nonsense, that's all is I'm saying. They were too heavy handed with the newspaper seller. They were utterly useless with the rioters, to say otherwise is just silly.
 
this country has been to "free to do what you want" for far too long. give the police guns, let them dish out a good beating in public.

BUT

make sure the people you employ to do that are reliable stable minded individuals who can comprehend the task given to them.
 
stuman said:
this country has been to "free to do what you want" for far too long. give the police guns, let them dish out a good beating in public.

BUT

make sure the people you employ to do that are reliable stable minded individuals who can comprehend the task given to them.
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Inferring the Police we employ now aren't stable minded individuals who can comprehend tasks given to them?

Sounds about right ;):D








* Sorry Von :p
 
shoes said:
So what if they do? It's not the police's fault, assuming of course they didn't take to them with a baton.

The point of the police being damned if they do and damned if they don't is nonsense, that's all is I'm saying. They were too heavy handed with the newspaper seller. They were utterly useless with the rioters, to say otherwise is just silly.
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You just can't put policing in to such blank and white terms, to say otherwise is just silly :rolleyes:
 
[Cas];20336276 said:
What ever happened to people being responsible for their own actions?
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Is there a reason why you don't apply this to cops (who are supposed to be professionals) losing the bap and attacking someone? Are they just too weak-minded to control themselves when faced with a loud-mouthed hippy?

stuman said:
this country has been to "free to do what you want" for far too long. give the police guns, let them dish out a good beating in public.

BUT

make sure the people you employ to do that are reliable stable minded individuals who can comprehend the task given to them.
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You should probably add 'not a sadist' to the checklist, since that is the sort of personality that is attracted to public order policing in the first place.
 
Funny how those brave NYC Police seem very reluctant to go give this guy a slap...


I wonder why that is? :D
 
teaboy5 said:
The man pushed someone out of the way and the person in question died, whether he died due to falling is open for debate.

So what would happen if your sitting in a pub and someone pushed into you and knocked your drink and you pushed them back and they fell over and died later that night? Would you like to be in court for killing that person?
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Yeah, lets face it you put your hands on someone else and they die from your actions, no matter how small its your fault.

Its like when someone punches another person and they get knocked out and the them falling and hitting their head kills them.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-10821288

Man jailed for 'one punch' killing in Blackpool pub
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shoes said:
See protester doing no harm... leave alone.
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Like with Ian Tomlinson?

Not surprised to see OCUK defending the actions of the police officer, we could have the Gestapo operating over here and most OCUK members would still be supporting them.
 
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