Steve Jobs vowed on the demise of android!

[Nexus18]

I kind of still think that its petty as you are comparing apples and oranges.

Samsung make a mobile phone - What shall we put in it?

Apple make a phone - what shall we put in it and what are we doing with the software.

A company that has stores world wide with a large number of staff, makes the OS its hardware runs on and spends a large amount of time on R&D compared to a company that builds a phone from components available at the time and puts a little jazz on androids current OS.

I am not saying that either method is definitive but to say that the iphone should cost less is over simplification.


If you don't like the price of something then don't buy it but if you are doing a comparison of 2 items then you cannot decide which is better based on price unless they both do exactly the same things.

What?

They are both smartphones that let you browse the web, watch youtube videos, make phone calls, send texts, play games, emails, social aspect etc.

They both do the same things, does the GS 2 and the iphone 4 do anything different?

Also have you ever used a GS 2?

Samsung put a lot of thought into the software side of things and that shows in all the user and expert reviews. It is the fastest and smoothest mobile on the market along with the 4s now.

They added a lot of useful little things and tweaked it a lot as well.

And trust me I use to hate touchwiz, all the people in the mobile section can easily tell you that, in fact I hate any of the custom skins like sense that are put on by the companies, I just want pure stock android.

So you are telling me that you are happy to pay £430 for the iphone 4 even though it is like +1 years old now and the hardware used in it is last generation (equivalent to the GS) even though you can get a great mobile (the GS 2) for a good bit less and beats the iphone 4 in pretty much every area. (excluding the OS preference)

You don't feel ripped of paying for something that is using old components that would be very cheap to buy?

 

[SteveOBHave]

Android as no problems functioning exactly the same on all the devices it's on. Only HTC has a 'Home Screen' that was completely up to them to add, they didn't have to.

And if iOS5 was released i don't think anyone would use it on their phones because Android is so much more customizable, my OH's iPhone 4 is fairly dull to use in comparison.

You're preaching to the choir here - I've had a G1, a Hero, a Nexus and I currently use a Desire running Cyanogenmod.

 

[fez]

"Erm that's rubbish. Why don't you take the Windows mobile phones (e.g. XDAs) which had near full bezel touchscreens and then claim iPhone copied? "

You can argue they all copy each other, which they do and have done for years and years.

Apple are a marketing firm. They're hugely profitable mainly because they are good at convincing people to pay £1000 for something that probably costs them £100 to make.

Are apple suing because someone else made a large touchscreen on a phone. Is that the entire claim?

 

[Nexus18]

That's actually a pretty good question, but probably not for reasons you intend.

It is a genuine question.

If any other companies used the same methods as apple, then why is there not some **** takes for them?

 

[SteveOBHave]

Are apple suing because someone else made a large touchscreen on a phone. Is that the entire claim?

I thought it was to do with the form factor and having a large grid of icons or something similar...

 

[Mekrel]

Android is a copy of iOS, there is no way to say it isn't, you just have to look at it to know. Give credit to MS, they saw that a direct copy wasn't the way, so they designed something completely different, Google did not, thats why Eric was booted because Steve had every right to see it as a betrayal...

The only reason Android has been successful is because the other mobile phone makes had no way of competing with Apple so had too choose an OS from a company as big as Google to go head-to-head. Plus lets not forget that share market is made up of so much fragmentation, just how many of those devices are unofficial 1.6 on chinese rip off tablets and phones?...I'd say the official user base (2.3 +) are significantly lower than iOS. You can easily say that however many Apple deceives are out there with iOS, the majority of them are updated to recent releases, you cannot say that about Android.

Lets not forget that the Linux community are ****ed at Google for exploiting the open source code!

Anyway, the only real war to be won is customer happiness, and you just know it ain't Android wearing that crown!

Obviously you're trolling so there's not much convincing to be done but I'll correct you on a few things:

1) Clone - If Android were a clone, it would look and act like MIUI versions of Android. Stock Android looks and acts nothing like MIUI.

2) Software updates - The Nexus S has the latest version of Android 2.3.7, fragmentation is still an issue for Android though. There's also the flip side of the coin where blindly updating devices with newer software can ruin a consumers product experience. I've read on several occasions about 3GS users experience slow downs with iOS4.

3) Linux community being annoyed at Google? I've never read about that. The Linux kernel is there for people to modify and distribute as long as they share their changes under GPL. The Android git hub shares the kernel source code and therefore shares their changes as per the GPL. Now, there are times where manufacturers will make additional changes and not realise their kernel sources, but that's not an Android issue.

Also if Android is such an original creation why do some many OEMs pay $15 to Microsoft for each handset sold? Oh wait, it's Apple who are cool to hate now. Silly me.

I love it when people try to make a point but end up making themselves look very silly.

The reason is Microsoft own patents for technology that is used in Android, which is the exact same case for Apple devices and other patents. Like how Apple pay Samsung royalties for technology used in their phones. Samsung are forced to sell wireless connectivity patents to Apple under FRAND because without the technology, the iPhone wouldn't function. Does this mean that the iPhone is also not an original creation? No, it doesn't.

Microsoft has never publicly stated which patents Android infringed.

 

[The $6m Dan]

still trying to figure this one out...

It's a joke, but like Steve Jobs, your sense of humour is dead.

 

[fez]

What?

They are both smartphones that let you browse the web, watch youtube videos, make phone calls, send texts, play games, emails, social aspect etc.

They both do the same things, does the GS 2 and the iphone 4 do anything different?

Also have you ever used a GS 2?

Samsung put a lot of thought into the software side of things and that shows in all the user and expert reviews. It is the fastest and smoothest mobile on the market along with the 4s now.

They added a lot of useful little things and tweaked it a lot as well.

And trust me I use to hate touchwiz, all the people in the mobile section can easily tell you that, in fact I hate any of the custom skins like sense that are put on by the companies, I just want pure stock android.

So you are telling me that you are happy to pay £430 for the iphone 4 even though it is like +1 years old now and the hardware used in it is last generation (equivalent to the GS) even though you can get a great mobile (the GS 2) for a good bit less and beats the iphone 4 in pretty much every area. (excluding the OS preference)

You don't feel ripped of paying for something that is using old components that would be very cheap to buy?

I wouldn't buy the iphone 4 but I would get the 4s for £500.

Tweaking an OS is not quite in the same league as what apple do with their OS.

The handsets don't have a lot of difference functionality wise but the process of creating the product is much much much much much easier for samsung. I can't see how you think otherwise.

You choose whether you are happy to pay a bit more for the OS that they have created or you don't feel that it is worth it for software differences alone.

You seem to completely ignore the fact that products don't magically appear on a companies doorstep with a little components price on it that covers everything.

The more you farm off to another company (well in this case at any rate), the cheaper a product is.

 

[fez]

I thought it was to do with the form factor and having a large grid of icons or something similar...

Thats what I thought. I am pretty sure that if apple were suing people for the use of large touch screens, I could win that court case against apple.

 

[SteveOBHave]

It's a joke, but like Steve Jobs, your sense of humour is dead.

Read it again - it wasn't a joke... he subsequently argued the point to death... now that is pun much like yours... often used in jokes... which his wasn't.

Thats what I thought. I am pretty sure that if apple were suing people for the use of large touch screens, I could win that court case against apple.

Indeed HTC and Palm Inc. etc has been doing those for years...

 

[King Damager]

I kind of still think that its petty as you are comparing apples and oranges.

Samsung make a mobile phone - What shall we put in it?

Apple make a phone - what shall we put in it and what are we doing with the software.

A company that has stores world wide with a large number of staff, makes the OS its hardware runs on and spends a large amount of time on R&D compared to a company that builds a phone from components available at the time and puts a little jazz on androids current OS.

I am not saying that either method is definitive but to say that the iphone should cost less is over simplification.


If you don't like the price of something then don't buy it but if you are doing a comparison of 2 items then you cannot decide which is better based on price unless they both do exactly the same things.

I have to agree with this.

I recently purchased an iPad 2 for Uni work, and chose it over a Samsung Galaxy Tab. Now prices are not far out of each other, but the Samsung is cheaper generally. Performance is basically similar as well though.

The real difference is this.

I should start off by saying that I actually think Android works better on phones, and iOS better on tablets.

App stores are advancing at a similar rate for processing power, but the difference is that my HTC desire (realistically not that old) is already starting to feel 'slow' when running some apps, and is causing issues in storage space for some of the immovable apps.

Apple on the other hand seem to be able to use their software that they develop in house to minimise this development slowing much more. As a couple of friends said the other day, it's all just very 'sleek.' - The guy who said this happens to own a Samsung Galaxy SII phone...

Yes, you do pay a premium for the Apple devices, but you get a completely different experience. It just seems to be put together in my opinion slightly better. Now, I know that this comes at a cost of controllability and customisability, and don't even get me started on some of the issues I have with iTunes.

But a few weeks in to owning the iPad... I'd rather not buy a tablet at all than buy a Galaxy Tab instead...

Oh and for Samsung putting a lot of development thought into their 'software', for as already mentioned I know people with Samsungs, and think stuff like HTC Sense is much better. My friend who basically has the Samsung 'copy' of the Blackberry Curve has all sorts of issues with her software not working, and alarm not even working! Compare this to Apple - Siri is a great place to start - admittedly they bought out the basics but they've done a hell of a lot of development on it.

kd

 

[fez]

The reason is Microsoft own patents for technology that is used in Android, which is the exact same case for Apple devices and other patents. Like how Apple pay Samsung royalties for technology used in their phones. Samsung are forced to sell wireless connectivity patents to Apple under FRAND because without the technology, the iPhone wouldn't function. Does this mean that the iPhone is also not an original creation? No, it doesn't.

Microsoft has never publicly stated which patents Android infringed.

It feels a little mad to me to be honest. All these companies are trying to kill each other whilst buying each others products, licensing each other technology and copying everything they can get away with.

 

[Rameses]

There's only one way to sort this out tbh:

FIGHT!

 

[deshepherd]

Did Ford have a patent for 4 wheeled motor vehicles?

No idea ... but couple of weeks ago visited the Levant Mine in Cornwall where they've restored the original steam pumping engine. One of the volunteer "steam enthusiasts" who run the engine was there talking about history of these engines and commented that they were pretty inefficient and a problem was that James Watt had patents on steam engine design and that he was particularily litigious to the extent that the "steam age"/industrial revolution didn't really start until the early 1800s when his patents expired.

 

[Nexus18]

I wouldn't buy the iphone 4 but I would get the 4s for £500.

Tweaking an OS is not quite in the same league as what apple do with their OS.

The handsets don't have a lot of difference functionality wise but the process of creating the product is much much much much much easier for samsung. I can't see how you think otherwise.

You choose whether you are happy to pay a bit more for the OS that they have created or you don't feel that it is worth it for software differences alone.

You seem to completely ignore the fact that products don't magically appear on a companies doorstep with a little components price on it that covers everything.

The more you farm off to another company (well in this case at any rate), the cheaper a product is.

Yes the 4s is a decent price (when buying outright that is), however to me it is not worth an extra £150 (can get a GS 2 for £350) even if I was a fan of the OS.

However the 4 is diff not.

Apple just tweak theirs as well for each version, they don't do anything ground breaking really.

Also what do you expect, the GS 2 is based on android, there is no point of them completely over writing the code and doing their own thing as android is extremely popular and combined with the hardware of the GS 2, it was very successful, if you were to combine the hardware with windows or something else I can guarantee that it would not have sold any where as many units as the GS 2 has so far.

I guess then what we should be comparing is the new galaxy nexus since google have put a lot of effort into completely rewriting android for ICS pretty much and it really shows in the videos etc. and I would be baffled if you don't see that as to me and a lot of others stock android ICS looks completely different to previous versions and includes A LOT of new things, comes across as a new OS nearly in my view.

So the galaxy nexus which will be around £450 in a few weeks online compared to the 4s at £500.

 

[Nexus18]

Oh and for Samsung putting a lot of development thought into their 'software', for as already mentioned I know people with Samsungs, and think stuff like HTC Sense is much better. My friend who basically has the Samsung 'copy' of the Blackberry Curve has all sorts of issues with her software not working, and alarm not even working! Compare this to Apple - Siri is a great place to start - admittedly they bought out the basics but they've done a hell of a lot of development on it.

For the gS 2 software/touchwiz I am talking about as their software for a lot of mobiles is crap and some are very poorly written.

Sense is a lot better on the whole and better than any other skin/UI apart from the version used on the GS 2 apart from the looks wise compared to sense. It goes a lot deeper than just the looks and that is what wins me over.

 

[fez]

So the galaxy nexus which will be around £450 in a few weeks online compared to the 4s at £500.

Dangerous talk! What with all the worry about the specs being lower than the SGII (I kid!).

I am not saying that samsung should re-write android owing in no small part to the fact they wouldn't get near androids quality.

I am trying to convey that you cannot compare the 2 handsets costs as the two companies have very different paths to bring a new product to the market. They both do very similar things but in different ways that make comparisons hard.

 

[Nexus18]

Dangerous talk! What with all the worry about the specs being lower than the SGII (I kid!).

True for some areas it is lower, however until reviews come out, we don't know yet how the camera and battery life compare to the GS 2 and if the GPU will be fine for all the tasks that needs to be done.

I don't care about specs to much (unless the difference is massive e.g. the GS 2 to the GS 1) as long as the mobile is fast/smooth and stays like that for 1-2 years till my next mobile.

The biggest selling points for me is the screen, stock google mobile especially after seeing ICS and the camera (and the GN seems to be good enough so far and has some very neat features).

I am not saying that samsung should re-write android owing in no small part to the fact they wouldn't get near androids quality.

I am trying to convey that you cannot compare the 2 handsets costs as the two companies have very different paths to bring a new product to the market. They both do very similar things but in different ways that make comparisons hard.

I see what you mean now, however the prices I am sure could be lowered a fair bit for their products especially considering how well they sell, just look at how many 4s were sold.

 

[SubFocus]

Apple = LOL!

 

[englishpremier]

I have little sympathy for an apple vs android dispute.

This. I don't like or dislike IOS or Android. In fact I couldn't careless. I want the OS that is best for me at the time I want it. Often that is neither of them.

It's similar for Windows v OSX