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Office 2003 perhaps. For most people anything after is just an upgrade for the sake of an upgrade. The mathematical errors in Excel haven't even been fixed... no reason to use it over LibreOffice.
 
Sooooooo....... What's wrong with windows?

Regarding the actual topic... I don't mind Apple devices or products they're good. What I loathe is the ridiculous way people have become obsessed with Apple like they're 14 year old girls and apple is an all star boy band.
 
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Skyfall said:
Sooooooo....... What's wrong with windows?
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Slower, prone to viruses, needs defragmentation, developers and designers just seem to do whatever they like and don't listen to the users, a lot of bugs, relatively far more crashes, no centralized application structure, less options for customization without violating the T&C, less potential to learn about how it actually works and, oh i don't know, the fact that you're paying good money for all this? Need i go on? I just can't justify using it, and when i have to in education or when i'm helping somebody else out with a problem (that 90% of the time wouldn't have occurred under Linux) frankly it just gets on my nerves.
 
Oh god, do some reading. It has less exploits that any other os and of those exploits more have been fixed than any other os.
Should do some reading on not just real off old cliches that aren't true.

In Linux frankly most people wouldn't know how to do anything on it, doesn't run most games as standard and the newer ones have copied windows user face to make it usable for the public. As well plug and play. Linux is good, but not for the general population. Other than some specialised tasks.
 
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Office 2003 perhaps. For most people anything after is just an upgrade for the sake of an upgrade. The mathematical errors in Excel haven't even been fixed... no reason to use it over LibreOffice.
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I cant comment on Excels shortcomings for the simple reason in that i dont use it with any depth. Libre office is good if all you want is word processing and the odd spreadsheet but there's nothing when it comes to databases or email clients, Access (as far as desktops are concerned) and Outlook are in leagues of their own. With honourable mentions to MS Project and Visio.

The home user may feel that office 2010 is little more than a rehash but in a corporate environment its invaluable.
 
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Oh god, do some reading. It has less exploits that any other os and of those exploits more have been fixed than any other os.
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That's simply not true is it? Largely because you have one relatively small team working to track down holes and exploits, and an even smaller team working to fix those exploits. In an open source model you have a massive userbase reporting problems, and even sending in fixes. By the time any even remotely serious exploit is found, it's been patched days before anybody could do anything malicious with it.

Windows just isn't designed for security. It's practically slapped on at the application level, almost as an afterthought.
 
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Slower, prone to viruses, needs defragmentation, developers and designers just seem to do whatever they like and don't listen to the users, a lot of bugs, relatively far more crashes, no centralized application structure, less options for customization without violating the T&C, less potential to learn about how it actually works and, oh i don't know, the fact that you're paying good money for all this? Need i go on? I just can't justify using it, and when i have to in education or when i'm helping somebody else out with a problem (that 90% of the time wouldn't have occurred under Linux) frankly it just gets on my nerves.
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Unless you're a completely muppet surely you can see that the Linux distros are absolutely 100% unsuitable for the average user?

In fact the corner you're talking yourself into is very pro OSX.

Unix based OS with all those advantages... but designed for the average end user.

And before you start spouting... it's open source, which should keep your beard happy.
 
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That's simply not true is it? Largely because you have one relatively small team working to track down holes and exploits, and an even smaller team working to fix those exploits. In an open source model you have a massive userbase reporting problems, and even sending in fixes. By the time any even remotely serious exploit is found, it's been patched days before anybody could do anything malicious with it.

Windows just isn't designed for security. It's practically slapped on at the application level, almost as an afterthought.
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It is true, your wrong.

Who has more users and thus people to find exploits. Windows or open source like Linux.

How many people looking for windows exploits and programming viruses for windows, due to market share. Despite holding the largest market share and more people actively trying to find exploits a minute amount are found compared to Linux, even compared to osx the numbers are far smaller.
 
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I cant comment on Excels shortcomings for the simple reason in that i dont use it with any depth. Libre office is good if all you want is word processing and the odd spreadsheet but there's nothing when it comes to databases or email clients, Access (as far as desktops are concerned) and Outlook are in leagues of their own. With honourable mentions to MS Project and Visio.

The home user may feel that office 2010 is little more than a rehash but in a corporate environment its invaluable.
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It's all very well (and true) saying that 'it's good if that's all you want', but for at least 80% (yay for randomly pulling statistics out of nowhere, but you understand the point) of Office users, that IS all you want. I can't really comment on email clients, i always use the browser, but i've never heard of anything that Outlook can do that Thunderbird, Evolution or something else can't do, and probably in an easier way.
 
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That's simply not true is it? Largely because you have one relatively small team working to track down holes and exploits, and an even smaller team working to fix those exploits. In an open source model you have a massive userbase reporting problems, and even sending in fixes. By the time any even remotely serious exploit is found, it's been patched days before anybody could do anything malicious with it.

Windows just isn't designed for security. It's practically slapped on at the application level, almost as an afterthought.
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Oh my you really are basing your opinions on consensus that is 10+ years old.

You may be correct in that any one can patch and contribute to linux distros but in reality that has little reach beyond the core components and kernel. I'm a member of a fair few mailgroups and for the most part there dead.
 
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It is true, your wrong.
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If you're going to play like that, no, you're wrong.

PardonTheWait said:
Unless you're a completely muppet surely you can see that the Linux distros are absolutely 100% unsuitable for the average user?

In fact the corner you're talking yourself into is very pro OSX.

Unix based OS with all those advantages... but designed for the average end user.

And before you start spouting... it's open source, which should keep your beard happy.
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I could understand your point 10 years ago. I could probably understand it 5 years ago. At a push, maybe even 3 years ago. But really, have you even looked at any mainstream Linux distro lately?
 
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but i've never heard of anything that Outlook can do that Thunderbird, Evolution or something else can't do, and probably in an easier way.
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Exchange integration in Outlook goes far beyond simple receiving and sending emails. I wish Thunderbird and Evolution had that integration for sake of competition but in reality MS have it so wrapped up it would take a miracle for anyone else to even come close.
 
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If you're going to play like that, no, you're wrong.

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As I said actually go do some reading. Start by looking at this graph.

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Windows has a much larger user base, much larger corporate section actively looking for exploits and a much bigger "hacker" community looking for exploits. Windows has such a large market share, it's hardly surprising most viruses and other software is targeted at windows. Your hole, open source argument having more people is just plain BS.
 
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Huge market share, more people looking for exploits, more viruses. More exploits found. But yet windows still has far few exploits.
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I'm not a Linux fanboy at all. I've used mostg things from DOS to Windows to OS/2 to Mainframe (MVS) to OSX to Solaris to Unix to Linux and think each system had/has its own use. So I have no axe to grind or preference in OS. But I would be very surprised if what you say is true. I'd genuinely be interested in any supporting statistics.

EDIT: Thanks for the graph above. Quite interesting. Do you have a link to where you got it as it shows vulns fixed rather than vulns identified?
 
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Slower, prone to viruses, needs defragmentation, developers and designers just seem to do whatever they like and don't listen to the users, a lot of bugs, relatively far more crashes, no centralized application structure, less options for customization without violating the T&C, less potential to learn about how it actually works and, oh i don't know, the fact that you're paying good money for all this? Need i go on? I just can't justify using it, and when i have to in education or when i'm helping somebody else out with a problem (that 90% of the time wouldn't have occurred under Linux) frankly it just gets on my nerves.
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Windows 7 is faster if not as fast as any Linux I've used and a lot more compatible. can't remember the last time I had a virus, maybe 8 or so years ago... Every OS has bugs and I bet the one that is used by more people on more hardware configurations is going to show more up... More crashes? Crashes? Apps or the OS? I've had just as many app crashes on Linux as I have had on windows and I don't think I've ever had a windows crash since vista and I cannot remember the last time I saw a bsod.

I would pay for windows every time over Linux.
 
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