Poll: What is your position on religion/god?

What are your religious beliefs?

  • Christian

    Votes: 29 10.2%
  • Muslim

    Votes: 7 2.5%
  • Jewish

    Votes: 2 0.7%
  • Buddhist

    Votes: 2 0.7%
  • Hindu

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Sikh

    Votes: 2 0.7%
  • Deist

    Votes: 3 1.1%
  • Agnostic

    Votes: 74 26.1%
  • Pantheist

    Votes: 5 1.8%
  • Atheist

    Votes: 159 56.2%

  • Total voters
    283
They have theories, which exist because they partially explain certain natural & testable events.

Some do..Others are leaps of faith with no evidence to back up the theory...

Holes in mathematic equation's filled in by conjecture for example.

These are not randomly made up things with no evidence whatsoever (like a god concept).

They are and the basis of many great scientists is making things up to search for the truth.

These are also not held as some greater truth that can't be challenged, scientists are also working constantly to find out the results of these tests.

There is a massive difference.

There isn't. The existence of GOD is challenged and can be challenged.
 
Its not though. many scientists are convinced in string theory...There is no evidence to suggest that strings within galaxies exist. The notion is based on faith.

Well scientific theories are based a little more than what a man-made book says...

But many scientist are convinced by it. This is no different to the man conviced that Jesus is the son of god. There is no difference.

... So it is not the same at all.


Also, I am not a scientist who believes 100% in string theory and that wasn't your argument, you said it took as much faith to believe as it did to not believe in a god.
 
As I have stated up to a point you have to take the leap of faith with science.

Every scienctist worth their salt would agree with this statement.
To believe in a scientific theory requires a degree of faith. Not a leap, but an acceptance that there's a small chance (with well established theories) that the science was flawed or incomplete.

Science it's self does not require faith, in fact any science that involves faith isn't science.
 
The analogy makes sense, I guess it's just residual emotions/beliefs instilled from childhood that creates that doubt.
I can understand, my parents were both Christian - they tried to teach me as a child but I rejected it from as long as I can remember, oddly I never had any faith to lose (which I guess makes it easier).

Do you fear the eternal punishment of the Greek gods, or the punishments awaiting the people of the Muslim faith?, or every single other region on the planet?.

Even if there was a god, the chances it's the Christian one are petty low (taking into account there is no logical reason to pick one over another out of the thousands that have existed).
 
To believe in a scientific theory requires a degree of faith. Not a leap, but an acceptance that there's a small chance (with well established theories) that the science was flawed or incomplete.

Depends on how you quantify the leap or degree.

One small step for man and one giant leap for mankind and all that....
 
I can understand, my parents were both Christian - they tried to teach me as a child but I rejected it from as long as I can remember, oddly I never had any faith to lose (which I guess makes it easier).

Do you fear the eternal punishment of the Greek gods, or the punishments awaiting the people of the Muslim faith?, or every single other region on the planet?.

Even if there was a god, the chances it's the Christian one are petty low (taking into account there is no logical reason to pick one over another out of the thousands that have existed).

Greek mythology > Bible stories
 
Well scientific theories are based a little more than what a man-made book says...

Your confusing God with religion mate. The two are very different.

Thats if you are making references to the Bible or any other Holy scripture.

There are some Academic papers that have far more mind blowing stuff in which are all faith based.
 
Do you fear the eternal punishment of the Greek gods, or the punishments awaiting the people of the Muslim faith?, or every single other region on the planet?.

I guess it's the more traditional "Pit of fire with pain being inflicted for longer than your mind can comprehend" type of hell scenario (Gehenna in other words)
 
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I think you are mistaking atheism with strong-atheism.

Nontheism is not specifically about gods & was also not in the options made available by the maker of the poll.

Very few atheists are strong-atheists as you stated, it's illogical because it would require proof (which there is none either way - but I'm not exactly sure how one would find proof that something does not exist).

I'd like for somebody to find proof that Goblins don't exist.

A bit from wiki (I'm not a walking dictionary so sue me).

Explicit atheism is defined as "the absence of theistic belief due to a conscious rejection of it".

Explicit atheists have considered the idea of deities and have rejected belief that any exist. (in our case due to no evidence).

Implicit atheists thus either have not given the idea of deities much consideration, or, though they do not believe, have not rejected belief.

Only strong-atheism accounts for the requirement of a belief (as a position is held which requires defending).

Weak/Strong and Implicit/Explicit are not the same categories, although admittedly it probably does help that the new atheist movement keeps trying to redefine the various terms on a regular basis in an attempt to both expand the base of atheists and try to reduce the criticism of the logical inconsistency of attacking faith based positions.

Traditionally, The positions are defined as follows:

Weak (or Negative) Atheism - Disbelieves the existence of deities, commonly due to absence of acceptable evidence. Open to change if evidence presents.

Strong (or Positive) Atheism - denies the existence of deities, not open to change.

Explicit atheism - Makes a conscious choice to disbelieve or deny the existence of deities.

Implicit atheism - lacks an explicit believe in the existence of a deity or deities.

In generally accepted (eg accepted by more than just the new atheist fringe), atheism covers explicit atheism in both strong and weak varieties, but not implicit atheism. (The terms explicit and implicit were defined by George H. Smith in his 1979 publication 'Atheism, the case against God'). There's a variety of reasons why this is the case, but most fundamentally, it's rather hard to discuss a position in a meaningful manner that people don't self identify as a group.

The issue is further compounded by the multiple possible definitions of the use 'Belief' when in a religious context. I don't, for example, 'believe in' the Christian god, but my lack of theological belief has no bearing on the question whether I think the christian god exists or not, which I consider irrelevant. In this respect, although I lack an explicit belief in the christian god, I cannot be considered atheist towards it.

Perhaps it would be better, though, if we could agree on a common set of terms and debate the points rather than the language, because otherwise we aren't likely to progress.

On the evidence point around Goblins, the scientific method does provide a means to achieve this, provided we can sufficiently define the hypothesis and evidence in such a way that you can bypass the problems of induction, and equate an absence of evidence to be evidence of absence.
 
I would argue that atheists are arrogant...But thats just my view.

I would argue that some people are arrogant, what faith they follow or don't follow doesn't have that much bearing on it.

Most atheists celerbrate christmas too :p

I prefer to think of it as reclaiming our midwinter festival from the Christians. :D It is not like Christ was born anywhere near the 25th December!

Then surely you are more Atheist? Science relies on evidence, religion relies on faith, which by definition is the complete opposite. If you are intellectually honest and divided by the two, surely you must reason with scientific evidence rather than religious texts, or the knowledge of some people born thousands of year ago who knew virtually nothing about the world.

I do not believe in any Gods so far depicted by any of the religions. However I cannot say that god, in some form, does not exist because I cannot test for it. To take the Strong Atheist position is to assign to science something it is unable to currently do, i.e. test for god. So I am technically agnostic. That does not mean I think the Abrahamic God or any other God you care to mention may possibly exist, I don't.

Relatively happy with evolution? Probably covers how speciies developed? It is widely accepted by top intellectuals and academics as fact. There is such an abundance of evidence that it is almost idiotic to deny or to an extent, even partly deny its truth.

Hence I am relatively happy with evolution and think it probably covers how species developed. However if something else comes along that fits the evidence better then I will be relatively happy with that and think it probably covers that. I just refuse to treat evolution as some sort of religious truth and just accept it as a scientific truth and therefore able to change and be challanged.
 
To believe in a scientific theory requires a degree of faith. Not a leap, but an acceptance that there's a small chance (with well established theories) that the science was flawed or incomplete.

Science it's self does not require faith, in fact any science that involves faith isn't science.

That depends what you are using the science for. If you are simply using science for prediction, no faith is required.

If, on the flip side, you want to use the mechanism deduced by science as a representation of facts (for example, by declaring the random mutation idea of evolution as being absolutely the reality of how the observed data occurred), then you have to have faith in the assumptions used by the scientific method as being directly related to reality.
 
Depends on how you quantify the leap or degree.

One small step for man and one giant leap for mankind and all that....
Degree - If I get on a plane it will adhere to Newton's laws of motion.

Leap - Jesus was borne of an immaculate conception and is the son of god.

That depends what you are using the science for. If you are simply using science for prediction, no faith is required.

If, on the flip side, you want to use the mechanism deduced by science as a representation of facts (for example, by declaring the random mutation idea of evolution as being absolutely the reality of how the observed data occurred), then you have to have faith in the assumptions used by the scientific method as being directly related to reality.
Agreed. But the science requires no faith. Only the belief that the science is 100% correct.
 
Some do..Others are leaps of faith with no evidence to back up the theory...

I was under the belief that a scientific theory could not be classed as a scientific theory unless it fitted the available evidence. Otherwise it is a hypothesis?

Bearing in mind that the scientific use of the word theory differs from general usage.
 
Degree - If I get on a plane it will adhere to Newton's laws of motion.

Leap - Jesus was borne of an immaculate conception and is the son of god.

Degree- The sun will eventually burn out

Leap- Our galaxy is like a Loaf of Bread...We have many other Galaxies parallel to each other on branes.

A multiverse of a somewhat different kind has been envisaged within the multi-dimensional extension of string theory known as M-theory, also known as Membrane Theory. In M-theory our universe and others are created by collisions between p-branes in a space with 11 and 26 dimensions.
 
They all laughed at Christopher Columbus when he said the world was round
They all laughed when Edison recorded sound
They all laughed at Wilbur and his brother when they said that man could fly
 
For those people who seem to that that religion is incompatible with science I think this might be eye opening. It is from the Catechism of the Catholic church

159. Faith and science: "... methodical research in all branches of knowledge, provided it is carried out in a truly scientific manner and does not override moral laws, can never conflict with the faith, because the things of the world and the things of faith derive from the same God. The humble and persevering investigator of the secrets of nature is being led, as it were, by the hand of God in spite of himself, for it is God, the conserver of all things, who made them what they are." (Vatican II GS 36:1) 283. The question about the origins of the world and of man has been the object of many scientific studies which have splendidly enriched our knowledge of the age and dimensions of the cosmos, the development of life-forms and the appearance of man. These discoveries invite us to even greater admiration for the greatness of the Creator, prompting us to give him thanks for all his works and for the understanding and wisdom he gives to scholars and researchers.... 284. The great interest accorded to these studies is strongly stimulated by a question of another order, which goes beyond the proper domain of the natural sciences. It is not only a question of knowing when and how the universe arose physically, or when man appeared, but rather of discovering the meaning of such an origin....
 
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