Poll: What is your position on religion/god?

What are your religious beliefs?

  • Christian

    Votes: 29 10.2%
  • Muslim

    Votes: 7 2.5%
  • Jewish

    Votes: 2 0.7%
  • Buddhist

    Votes: 2 0.7%
  • Hindu

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Sikh

    Votes: 2 0.7%
  • Deist

    Votes: 3 1.1%
  • Agnostic

    Votes: 74 26.1%
  • Pantheist

    Votes: 5 1.8%
  • Atheist

    Votes: 159 56.2%

  • Total voters
    283
Indeed, a lack of explanation is just that, however a lack of explanation doesn't lead to an atheist position, but an agnostic one. To make the leap, you have to effectively say 'I don't know, so I think...' rather than just 'I don't know'. As I said earlier, simply lacking an explicit belief in gods is not enough to make you an atheist, weak or otherwise, using the generally accepted definitions. (incidentally, the same group of atheists who have tried to introduce this all encompassing definition of atheism as including anyone who doesn't have a specific belief in a deity also tried to redefine agnosticism to mean something other than 'the position where the existence of god is unknown, unknowable or irrelevant' to a claim about knowledge to be tagged on to atheism.)
The problem seems to be related to the terms used.

Personally, I'd prefer no label.

If person A comes to me and says "I've been to heaven, but I have no evidence" - I'd simply not believe him because he has no evidence, also because it would require the suspension of the currently known (tested & proven natural laws of science), that's not the same as saying he is lying.

But this is not the same as simply thinking of this situation in an agnostic way.

As said, agnosticism concerns knowledge.

It's a pointless discussion really, as what's the point applying a label to somebody who doesn't take a position on a subject as they reject the notion entirely.

You don't assign a label to people who are non-Buddhist, or non-Christians, you either are or you are not.

I'd suggest watching a good video on youtube - Qualiasoup / Lack of belief in gods.
 
You misunderstand what I'm saying.

No I don't think I am misunderstanding what you are saying at all.

You make an assumption that Kylew and people like him have no evidence for their belief.

Christians for example will point to scripture as evidence and so on.

The mistake many atheists make is that you must only accept scientific evidence as valid, that is simply not the case. People accept all sorts of evidence in their daily lives and much of it is about as unscientific as it can get. Science doesn't have exclusivity of evidence.

Science actually says absolutely nothing about God, it cannot then be used as an argument against God, nor can it be used to justify God either. Science is entirely agnostic on the matter.


You need not accept their evidence, you can be ambivalent about the whole thing without feeling the need to denigrate and insult those that do not share your viewpoint, which is exactly what you are doing, whether intentionally or not I cannot say.

You say you reject the notion entirely and have no position on it, yet you judge those that do which implies that you do have a position, one that a belief in a God is both misguided and irrational. If you were ambivalent about the subject then you would not think that a belief in a God was delusional or irrational, you would have no position either way.

As I said before, do not confuse criticism of Religions with the personal Belief in God, which is what many people are apt to do.

Also People can be Scientific in their everyday lives while being Religious in their Spiritual one.

"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function."
F. Scott Fitzgerald



"I don't want to belong to any organisation that either forces you to wear hats, or forbids it - I'd create a new one, with one rule - hats optional". - George Carlin.

If you changed that to "I don't want to belong to any organisation that either forces you to wear uniforms, or forbids it - I'd create a new one, with one rule - uniforms optional"......does that make the Police an irrational organisation?

Joking aside, going by the opinions you have elucidated in this forum you do not have the views you profess to have, I would say your opinions are more indicative of an explicit Atheist position rather than the ambivalent agnostic-atheist one you claim to have. I can understand why you are loathe to label yourself.

I would say, going on the evidence in this thread that you are anti-theist rather than anything else, or even anti-cleric rather than specifically atheist per se.
 
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Off the back of the Subway thread, religions that ban certain foods need to get an update. Shellfish and pork posed health risks thousands of years ago, but not so much now, so no need for them to be non-Kosher any more. :p
 
Off the back of the Subway thread, religions that ban certain foods need to get an update. Shellfish and pork posed health risks thousands of years ago, but not so much now, so no need for them to be non-Kosher any more. :p

You don't just think "all the more for me" then when other people choose not to eat specific foodstuffs? :p

As you say a number of elements of practical advice exist in religions that came about for valid reasons even if they were subsequently not proven correct. However if you've never tried something then you're probably unlikely to ever think that you're missing out.
 
But pig is the single most versatile meat there is! It's the potato of meats and just too damn tasty to pass up!
 
But pig is the single most versatile meat there is! It's the potato of meats and just too damn tasty to pass up!

Gratification of the senses is one of the fundamental journeys many who try and find god reject.

In fact many non religious ,atheist's fast in order to find themselves!
 
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Gratification of the senses is one of the fundamental journeys many who try and find god reject.

In fact many non religious atheist's fast in order to find themselves!

I'd rather live in the now, banking on there being an afterlife seems to risky. :p
 
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