Occupy London! Here we go again!

[[TW]Fox]

Because they were at war, being heavily shafted and a single man designed it with simplisity in mind to try and help their war effort in the face of defeat?

Disgusting pigs. How ******* dare they!



Why do we develop Typhoons and weapons systems?

God almight, we're dogs too!

You seem to have me confused with somebody who is anti military or something?

I've got no problem with the development of weapons at all.

My point was that a society that PermaDream envisages doesn't lend itself to the development of the sort of entertaining consumer goods we buy today.

PermaBanned missed the point entirely and decided that because a few camera makers came from Russia, that my point was invalid. I hinted that there might be a reason why such a society would develop camera technology.

 

[Biohazard]

I'm wasting my time.

Think about why the Soviet Union would develop camera technology but not develop computer games.

Tetris?



The main reasons why early talent and potential was not capitalised on was ineptitude from the soviet state, trade protectionism and in general the Soviet/West divide.

 

[[TW]Fox]

I refuse to beleive you can't see my point.

How many Ferraris would you sell in a society where everyone worked for free and was of equal value? Why would you even develop and sell a Ferrari if you'd gain nothing more from it than if you were baking bread?

 

[steve-h]

I'm sure technology would thrive if money wasn't the main target.

No patents and the sharing of knowledge and ideas between a much larger group of people... it would be amazing, surely?

 

[Hatter The Mad]

Biohazard is just being purposefully ignorant and facetious - don't feed the troll

 

[LabR@t]

protesters don't have to sit in each tent do they? they were probably gathered just out of shot. Also in footage a man is seen walking past reading a newspaper ( in the dark at night?) Its manufactured propaganda simple as.

 

[Biohazard]

You seem to have me confused with somebody who is anti military or something?

Well, what sort of society are we if they are some sort of society for doing similar? Creating things to kill with.

I've got no problem with the development of weapons at all.

My point was that a society that PermaDream envisages doesn't lend itself to the development of the sort of entertaining consumer goods we buy today.

PermaBanned missed the point entirely and decided that because a few camera makers came from Russia, that my point was invalid. I hinted that there might be a reason why such a society would develop camera technology.

Can you explain why development particularly of consumer goods would not be created?

 

[Biohazard]

I refuse to beleive you can't see my point.

How many Ferraris would you sell in a society where everyone worked for free and was of equal value? Why would you even develop and sell a Ferrari if you'd gain nothing more from it than if you were baking bread?

It's too much of an abstract and subjective question. There are very few answers, just many questions unfortunately.

The only real alternative to state collusion and control would be something akin to bartering. Which would more than likely set us back, perhaps that's a 'market correction' that needs to take place.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Well, what sort of society are we if they are some sort of society for doing similar? Creating things to kill with.

You are reading too much into what I said. It is in every societies interest to develop technology which can be used to defend themselves. It is therefore entirely possible to see why PermaDreamers society, or one based on similar ideals in the past, might be responsibile for the development of technology used for such things.

It is much harder to see who in such a society would decide to develop luxury yachts.

Can you explain why development particularly of consumer goods would not be created?

I did, but it was a waste of time as you swerved it with....

It's too much of an abstract and subjective question. There are very few answers, just many questions.

Almost all of this is people over-thinking things becuase they now think they know everything about everything because of the power of the internet.

 

[PermaBanned]

Biohazard is just being purposefully ignorant and facetious - don't feed the troll

That's how you treat people who come up with valid responses to your points (not that i would know )? Disappointing tbh.

I refuse to beleive you can't see my point.

How many Ferraris would you sell in a society where everyone worked for free and was of equal value? Why would you even develop and sell a Ferrari if you'd gain nothing more from it than if you were baking bread?

I can see your point. Your point is that all the goods that ever came from the USSR were made to benefit the country in some way. I don't see how that's a bad thing, or come to think of it how differently, in this way, you think Capitalist societies worked at that time.

Because you love making cars.

 

[PermaBanned]

It is much harder to see who in such a society would decide to develop luxury yachts.

The soviets (just like us at one point) were great at making boats. Including luxury yachts.

 

[[TW]Fox]

I can see your point. Your point is that all the goods that ever came from the USSR were made to benefit the country in some way. I don't see how that's a bad thing, or come to think of it how differently, in this way, you think Capitalist societies worked at that time.

But not everything made benefits the country nor should it.

Because you love making cars.

But you can't make a car with love alone. It also takes money. Money you wouldn't have.

And you can't just have a pool of resources everyone can just take what they need from either. Google 'Tragedy of the Commons' for the economic reason why you can't.

 

[[TW]Fox]

The soviets (just like us at one point) were great at making boats. Including luxury yachts.

Shame the ordinary citizen couldnt buy one.

 

[Biohazard]

You are reading too much into what I said. It is in every societies interest to develop technology which can be used to defend themselves. It is therefore entirely possible to see why PermaDreamers society, or one based on similar ideals in the past, might be responsibile for the development of technology used for such things.

It's in the tone and insinuation that was either misguided or uneducated. Again here, Permadreamer, isn't that a bit "Stockhausen", which attracts so much complaint for your sort of corner?

It is much harder to see who in such a society would decide to develop luxury yachts.

Yes.

I did, but it was a waste of time as you swerved it with....

I didn't swerve anything, I edited in a little more. It's the truth, I'm not going to waste time at length trying to explain what another man wants even if I understand him.. it is unlikely to have any real impact either way. Waste of time particularly in this medium.

 

[Biohazard]

Biohazard is just being purposefully ignorant and facetious - don't feed the troll

Pathetic.

 

[[TW]Fox]

It's in the tone and insinuation that was either misguided or uneducated. Again here, Permadreamer, isn't that a bit "Stockhausen", which attracts so much complaint for your sort of corner?

He's reached the rare point on an internet forum where his posts are just increasingly frustrating. It's like a stuck record - although this is nothing new on the internet, heck many would level the charge at me, there seems to be no base for anything he says beyond his own weird understanding of how things work. I'm not the only one to have noticed it.

He seems incapable of realising that some of us are entirely happy with the notion that we go to work, earn money, and buy stuff with it. We like that. I like giving money I've earnt to capitalist corporations in return for often meaningless consumer crap. As do millions of other people.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

That's how you treat people who come up with valid responses to your points (not that i would know )? Disappointing tbh.

Gah, they're not valid points. How can you not see that that they are just notable exceptions.

And why were they notable? Because of the circumstances from which they came - ie the OPPOSITE environment to one which is conducive for producing consumerist/market goods.

Pathetic.

See above. Your notable exceptions have done nothing to counter or argue against Fox's main point.

 

[PermaBanned]

He's reached the rare point on an internet forum where his posts are just increasingly frustrating. It's like a stuck record - although this is nothing new on the internet, heck many would level the charge at me, there seems to be no base for anything he says beyond his own weird understanding of how things work. I'm not the only one to have noticed it.

He seems incapable of realising that some of us are entirely happy with the notion that we go to work, earn money, and buy stuff with it. We like that. I like giving money I've earnt to capitalist corporations in return for often meaningless consumer crap. As do millions of other people.

Maybe that's because you go into any conversation having already made up your mind that you're not going to listen to anyone/change your opinion.

Say i'm happy getting up in the morning, eating some corn flakes, then going out and stabbing a couple dozen people before lunch. Should i be able to carry on doing it?

Sure, i get it, you're comfortable, ignorance is bliss yada yada. What you don't seem to grasp here is that you're the lucky one. You wouldn't be so quick to defend Capitalism if you had been born in a 'third world' country.

 

[PermaBanned]

Gah, they're not valid points. How can you not see that that they are just notable exceptions.

And why were they notable? Because of the circumstances from which they came - ie the OPPOSITE environment to one which is conducive for producing consumerist/market goods.

See above. Your notable exceptions have done nothing to counter or argue against Fox's main point.

Correct me if i misunderstand you, but you're saying that the reason his points about something aren't valid is because you think something differently? Do you actually understand the concept of debate?

 

[Jokester]

Also in footage a man is seen walking past reading a newspaper ( in the dark at night?) Its manufactured propaganda simple as.

No there isn't.